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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a beno23 » 25.7.2011 20:25

Vedež napisal/-a:Zakaj je bil potres na Japonskem? Delfini so inteligentna bitja. Povzročili so ta potres z nekim svojim znanjem obvladovanja frekvenc, ki ljudem ni znan.
Kaj ti to resno misliš? Se ne hecaš?


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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a shrink » 4.10.2011 10:45

Obskuren članek v obskurni reviji obskurnega založnika.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a celica » 4.10.2011 11:21

Ja ti pa si, a misliš da ostali forumci ne znajo to prebrat : We are not charging any article processing cost, the main aim of this journal system is to provide a free to publish platform for the authors.

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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a NIKKI » 4.10.2011 11:36

:roll:
Tule je pše en
shrink napisal/-a:
Obskuren članek v obskurni reviji obskurnega založnika.
glej:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2 ... 7908.shtml

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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a celica » 4.10.2011 11:47

Kaj se ti zdi sporen avtor?
http://www.ep.sci.hokudai.ac.jp/~heki/

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Odgovor Napisal/-a NIKKI » 4.10.2011 11:56

celica napisal/-a:Kaj se ti zdi sporen avtor?
http://www.ep.sci.hokudai.ac.jp/~heki/
Moj vzklik:
NIKKI napisal/-a::roll:
Tule je pše en
shrink napisal/-a:
Obskuren članek v obskurni reviji obskurnega založnika.
glej:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2 ... 7908.shtml
Moj sarkazem je letel na shrinka.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a shrink » 4.10.2011 12:39

celica napisal/-a:Ja ti pa si, a misliš da ostali forumci ne znajo to prebrat : We are not charging any article processing cost, the main aim of this journal system is to provide a free to publish platform for the authors.
Ja, naprej pa piše:
However if you are interested to support the journals refer the membership page for further details. Our only obligation to the authors is to spread the news about this journal to their colleagues and acquaintances and bring in more quality research papers.
Pred tem pa:
IPA journals aims at rapid publication of articles :!: while maintaining rigorous peer review process[ja, seveda], each article will be subjected to a minimum of two reviews by two individual reviewers. If their decision varies the article will be sent to a third reviewer and the editors decision is final. Reviewers will be insisted to review the paper within 10 days time :!: and if he/ she fail to return will be sent to other reviewer for review. All authors are requested to provide at least three reviewers who can review their paper to speed up the process by using this form.
Na osnovi tega (pa še dejstva, da se je založnik oz. ta revija pojavila šele leta 2010) je jasno, da gre za tipično obskurno revijo vprašljive kvalitete, saj nobena resna revija ne bi silila recenzentov, da oddajo oceno v 10 dneh in tudi namigovala avtorjem, da naj širijo glas o njej.

Ti azijski založniki nasploh rastejo kot gobe po dežju, objavijo pa seveda vsak balast.
NIKKI napisal/-a::roll:
Tule je pše en
shrink napisal/-a:
Obskuren članek v obskurni reviji obskurnega založnika.
glej:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2 ... 7908.shtml
in
NIKKI napisal/-a:
celica napisal/-a:Kaj se ti zdi sporen avtor?
http://www.ep.sci.hokudai.ac.jp/~heki/
Moj vzklik:
NIKKI napisal/-a::roll:
Tule je pše en
shrink napisal/-a:
Obskuren članek v obskurni reviji obskurnega založnika.
glej:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2011/2 ... 7908.shtml
Moj sarkazem je letel na shrinka.
Pripomba oz. sarkazem je popolnoma odveč, saj objava v kvalitetni reviji še ne pomeni, da je zadeva sprejeta. Seveda pa upam, da po kvaliteti ne enačiš "GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS" in obskurne "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF GEOMATICS AND GEOSCIENCES".
celica napisal/-a:Kaj se ti zdi sporen avtor?
http://www.ep.sci.hokudai.ac.jp/~heki/
Nerelevantno in povedal sem že, zakaj (beri odgovor NIKKI-ju). Poleg tega ta avtor ni avtor obskurnega članka, katerega si prilepil, pa tudi v njem ta avtor sploh ni omenjen.

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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a NIKKI » 4.10.2011 13:54

Pripomba oz. sarkazem je popolnoma odveč, saj objava v kvalitetni reviji še ne pomeni, da je zadeva sprejeta. Seveda pa upam, da po kvaliteti ne enačiš "GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS" in obskurne "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF GEOMATICS AND GEOSCIENCES".
Velja tudi obratno, če je stvar objavljena v obskurni reviji, še ne pomeni, da je nesprejemljiva!
Sem pa preletel naslove člankov "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF GEOMATICS AND GEOSCIENCES" (http://ipublishing.co.in/jggsindex.html), gre za vodo, geološke rizike, uporaba satelitov, uporaba IT v geografiji, geodezija ... Predvsem za azijsko publiko. Je pa stvar podobna kot odkritje B 612 v Malem princu (http://sl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_princ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_612 , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B612_Foundation).
Še dve stvari. Azijci močno napredujejo, če se malo drugače obnašajo od nas še ne pomeni, da so nesposobni. Druga stvar je napoved potresov, vedno več je opažanj in merjen pojavov, ki so povezani z res močnimi potresi. Seveda tu ne gre za lajanje psov in letanju kur naokoli. Kot v tem primeru za povečano gostoto elektronov ionosferi 40 minut pred velikim potresom. Argument proti pa je gotovo majhna statistika.

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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a shrink » 4.10.2011 18:17

NIKKI napisal/-a:
Pripomba oz. sarkazem je popolnoma odveč, saj objava v kvalitetni reviji še ne pomeni, da je zadeva sprejeta. Seveda pa upam, da po kvaliteti ne enačiš "GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS" in obskurne "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF GEOMATICS AND GEOSCIENCES".
Velja tudi obratno, če je stvar objavljena v obskurni reviji, še ne pomeni, da je nesprejemljiva!
Sem pa preletel naslove člankov "INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF GEOMATICS AND GEOSCIENCES" (http://ipublishing.co.in/jggsindex.html), gre za vodo, geološke rizike, uporaba satelitov, uporaba IT v geografiji, geodezija ... Predvsem za azijsko publiko.
Dejstvo je, da večina azijskih open-access revij ni vredna piškavega drobiža, saj gre njihovim založnikom zgolj za zaslužek, objavijo pa seveda vsakršen balast. Primer takšnega založnika (s sedežem v Pakistanu):

http://www.medwelljournals.com/journal.php

Izkušnje avtorjev s tem založnikom:
I fell for Medwell's scam. I sent a paper which they unfortunately published. I knew it was a scam when they asked for payment. :!: i tried to withdraw the paper but found that their email was fake. I never paid but they published the paper. I'm ashamed of myself. The paper's wasted now.
I think I am the victim of Medwell journal. About 1 month ago, I submitted a manuscript for Journal of Food Technology of Medwell by online. Didn't reach 1 minute, they confirmed that my manuscript was "accepted" (how easy?). and the more strange is the date of acceptance letter is 1 January 1970!!

Then, a day after that acceptance letter, that guy 'Muhammad Sohail' sent a message to my e-mail :

"Thank you so much for providing us all required changes in your article (fact: I never change it), finally we are able to inform you that article is accepted for final publication and now it
is pending only due to non-payment. We request to you please generate your invoice from website and send us fee immediately to process it further."

when I check the invoice, I must pay US $400.
Of course I didn't pay it.

it is very ridiculous!!!

so, for all, I think Medwell is not official publication!
In takih založnikov (večinoma azijskih) je malo morje - glej npr. tale blog:

http://sticky-journals.blogspot.com/
NIKKI napisal/-a:Še dve stvari. Azijci močno napredujejo, če se malo drugače obnašajo od nas še ne pomeni, da so nesposobni.
Ja, tako močno napredujejo, da:
Scientific publishing in China is in a quandary. Many articles in the country's 5,000-plus science and technology journals go unread and uncited, calling into question the value of the research.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 7252a.html

in
The latest in a string of high-profile academic fraud cases in China underscores the problems of an academic-evaluation system that places disproportionate emphasis on publications, critics say. Editors at the UK-based journal Acta Crystallographica Section E last month retracted 70 published crystal structures that they allege are fabrications by researchers at Jinggangshan University in Jiangxi province. :!: Further retractions, the editors say, are likely.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100112/ ... 3142a.html

Seveda ne smem pozabiti omeniti genija med geniji - kitajca Ji Huan He-ja:
A first step to understanding IJNSNS’s high impact factor is to look at how many authors contributed substantially to the counted citations and who
they were. The top-citing author to IJNSNS in 2008 was the journal’s editor-in-chief, Ji-Huan He, who cited the journal (within the two-year window) 243 times. The second top citer, D. D. Ganji, with 114 cites, is also a member of the editorial board, as is the third, regional editor Mohamed El Naschie, with 58 cites. Together these three account for 29% of the citations counted toward the impact factor.
According to a recent analysis of Essential Science Indicators from Thomson Scientific, Professor Ji-Huan He has been named a Rising Star in the field of Computer Science… His citation record in the Web of Science includes 137 papers cited a total of 3,193 times to date.” Together with only a dozen other scientists in all fields of science, He was cited by ESI for the “Hottest Research of 2007–8” and again for the “Hottest Research of 2009”.
http://www.ams.org/notices/201103/rtx110300434p.pdf
NIKKI napisal/-a:Druga stvar je napoved potresov, vedno več je opažanj in merjen pojavov, ki so povezani z res močnimi potresi. Seveda tu ne gre za lajanje psov in letanju kur naokoli. Kot v tem primeru za povečano gostoto elektronov ionosferi 40 minut pred velikim potresom. Argument proti pa je gotovo majhna statistika.
Napovedovanje potresov je seveda lahko stvar znanstvenih raziskav, vsekakor pa si tiste, ki najdejo mesto v obskurnih revijah, to ime redko zaslužijo. Zato mi gre vselej na smeh, ko kak celica citira take publikacije.

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Re: Napoved potresov da ali ne

Odgovor Napisal/-a celica » 4.10.2011 21:37

shrink, Kaj zdej limaš stvari ki nimajo veze s potresi :

"Scientific publishing in China is in a quandary. Many articles in the country's 5,000-plus science and
technology journals go unread and uncited, calling into question the value of the research.

The latest in a string of high-profile academic fraud cases in China underscores the problems of an
academic-evaluation system that places disproportionate emphasis on publications, critics say. Editors at
the UK-based journal Acta Crystallographica Section E last month retracted 70 published crystal
structures that they allege are fabrications by researchers at Jinggangshan University in Jiangxi
province.Further retractions, the editors say, are likely.

A first step to understanding IJNSNS’s high impact factor is to look at how many authors contributed
substantially to the counted citations and who
they were. The top-citing author to IJNSNS in 2008 was the journal’s editor-in-chief, Ji-Huan He, who
cited the journal (within the two-year window) 243 times. The second top citer, D. D. Ganji, with 114
cites, is also a member of the editorial board, as is the third, regional editor Mohamed El Naschie, with
58 cites. Together these three account for 29% of the citations counted toward the impact factor.

According to a recent analysis of Essential Science Indicators from Thomson Scientific, Professor Ji-Huan
He has been named a Rising Star in the field of Computer Science… His citation record in the Web of
Science includes 137 papers cited a total of 3,193 times to date.” Together with only a dozen other
scientists in all fields of science, He was cited by ESI for the “Hottest Research of 2007–8” and again
for the “Hottest Research of 2009”."


Kaj se ti zdijo sporni avtorji?

http://www.ep.sci.hokudai.ac.jp/~heki/

http://www.ep.sci.hokudai.ac.jp/~heki/p ... RL2011.pdf

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Odgovor Napisal/-a NIKKI » 5.10.2011 0:39

Predlagam, da ustavimo konje!
1) Celica, v nekem žurnalu, ki je primerljiv npr. s Proteusom so objavili nek članek, ki morda opisuje resen pojav.
2) Sam sem ga podprl s člankom v malo bolj spoštovani reviji, ki ima tudi svoje težave s recenzorji, morebiti s čisto zgrešenimi opažanji in zaključki.
3) shrink je opozoril na težave z objavljanjem, in kako nekateri to izkoriščajo. Trdi, da je vedno bolje objavljati v spoštovanih revijah! Že Mali princ mu izbije argumente.
4) Sam sem opozoril, da stvari niso enoznačne, morda celo obstaja logičen dokaz za to :wink: .
Predlagam, da se osredotočimo na merjenje in opazovanje pojavov! :twisted:
Imamo sredstva za to! Npr., Celica zapiči voltmeter v tla in meri to 10 let potem sprejemaj zadeve. shrink, tudi vidna kura slepo zrnje najde!

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Roman » 5.10.2011 7:37

Pa bi vseeno priporočil izbiro dvorišča z več zrni in manj slepo kuro.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a shrink » 5.10.2011 13:39

celica napisal/-a:shrink, Kaj zdej limaš stvari ki nimajo veze s potresi :

"Scientific publishing in China is in a quandary. Many articles in the country's 5,000-plus science and
technology journals go unread and uncited, calling into question the value of the research.

The latest in a string of high-profile academic fraud cases in China underscores the problems of an
academic-evaluation system that places disproportionate emphasis on publications, critics say. Editors at
the UK-based journal Acta Crystallographica Section E last month retracted 70 published crystal
structures that they allege are fabrications by researchers at Jinggangshan University in Jiangxi
province.Further retractions, the editors say, are likely.

A first step to understanding IJNSNS’s high impact factor is to look at how many authors contributed
substantially to the counted citations and who
they were. The top-citing author to IJNSNS in 2008 was the journal’s editor-in-chief, Ji-Huan He, who
cited the journal (within the two-year window) 243 times. The second top citer, D. D. Ganji, with 114
cites, is also a member of the editorial board, as is the third, regional editor Mohamed El Naschie, with
58 cites. Together these three account for 29% of the citations counted toward the impact factor.

According to a recent analysis of Essential Science Indicators from Thomson Scientific, Professor Ji-Huan
He has been named a Rising Star in the field of Computer Science… His citation record in the Web of
Science includes 137 papers cited a total of 3,193 times to date.” Together with only a dozen other
scientists in all fields of science, He was cited by ESI for the “Hottest Research of 2007–8” and again
for the “Hottest Research of 2009”."
Ne nakladaj! To je bila zgolj replika na NIKKI-jev komentar.
Raje preveri avtorje, ki objavljajo v obskurni reviji, ki si jo sam citiral. :lol: Sem ti pa že rekel, da tudi objava v ugledni reviji še nič ne pomeni.
NIKKI napisal/-a:1) Celica, v nekem žurnalu, ki je primerljiv npr. s Proteusom so objavili nek članek, ki morda opisuje resen pojav.
Te revije še s Proteusom niso primerljive.
2) Sam sem ga podprl s člankom v malo bolj spoštovani reviji, ki ima tudi svoje težave s recenzorji, morebiti s čisto zgrešenimi opažanji in zaključki.
Kar seveda še nič ne pomeni.
3) shrink je opozoril na težave z objavljanjem, in kako nekateri to izkoriščajo. Trdi, da je vedno bolje objavljati v spoštovanih revijah! Že Mali princ mu izbije argumente.
Te prosim: slepa kura, ki sem pa tja najde kakšno zrno (kot je že Roman omenil), ni noben argument. :lol:
4) Sam sem opozoril, da stvari niso enoznačne, morda celo obstaja logičen dokaz za to :wink: .
Kar navedi ga. Je pa povsem enoznačno jasno, da azijske open access revije niso kredibilen vir.
Predlagam, da se osredotočimo na merjenje in opazovanje pojavov! :twisted:
Imamo sredstva za to! Npr., Celica zapiči voltmeter v tla in meri to 10 let potem sprejemaj zadeve. shrink, tudi vidna kura slepo zrnje najde!
Hah, ja, tudi amrit je meril (maso črvjih duš), sedaj pa napoveduje nek eksperiment s fotonskimi urami s ciljem dokazovanja brezčasnosti. Pa tudi Rozman je bojda neprestano meril in dokazoval svoje ideje. Ja, "vidnih kur, ki iščejo slepo zrnje", ne zmanjka. :lol:

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