VPLIV LUNE

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 25.6.2013 19:42

bargo wrote:
shrink wrote:
bargo wrote:Lej ga ej! :D :D Postoj brihta in poglej, preden postavljaš retorična vprašanja.
Bi moral ti prej postati, da ne bi postavil imbecilne trditve in imbecilnega vprašanja.
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Vidiš, spet pretiravaš ?! Ne moreš z termometrom podajati ocene za dolžino in tudi vsega ni primerno ocenjevati. :roll:
Zase sem najboljši "termometer", pa ne glede na tvoje literarne insinuacije. :lol:

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by bargo » 25.6.2013 19:47

shrink wrote:Zase sem najboljši "termometer", pa ne glede na tvoje literarne insinuacije. :lol:
Verjetno drži. :D

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 25.6.2013 19:54

bargo wrote:
shrink wrote:Zase sem najboljši "termometer", pa ne glede na tvoje literarne insinuacije. :lol:
Verjetno drži. :D
No, potem raje sebi namenjaj očitke o pretiravanju. :lol:

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by bargo » 25.6.2013 19:57

shrink wrote:
bargo wrote:
shrink wrote:Zase sem najboljši "termometer", pa ne glede na tvoje literarne insinuacije. :lol:
Verjetno drži. :D
No, potem raje sebi namenjaj očitke o pretiravanju. :lol:
Saj jih, samo jih ne delim zmeraj s teboj. :oops:

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 26.6.2013 2:02

bargo wrote:
shrink wrote:
bargo wrote:Verjetno drži. :D
No, potem raje sebi namenjaj očitke o pretiravanju. :lol:
Saj jih, samo jih ne delim zmeraj s teboj. :oops:
Niti ni treba, to lahko delaš potiho; naj isto velja tudi za tvoje literarne poskuse. :lol:


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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 30.6.2013 2:21

In kakšen sklep je možno potegniti? Da je tega "serijskega" morilca "trkala" Luna?

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by qg » 30.6.2013 9:51

shrink wrote:
In kakšen sklep je možno potegniti? Da je tega "serijskega" morilca "trkala" Luna?
Trije primeri so premalo za statistično prepričati Randija. O obnašanju ljudi ob polni luni je govoric še dosti.

Naj verjame kdor hoče in naj da protiargumente, kdor hoče. Bilo pa bi zanimivo, da bi še kdo dal gor kakšen link.

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 30.6.2013 16:29

qg wrote:
shrink wrote:
In kakšen sklep je možno potegniti? Da je tega "serijskega" morilca "trkala" Luna?
Trije primeri so premalo za statistično prepričati Randija. O obnašanju ljudi ob polni luni je govoric še dosti.
Statistične analize so pokazale, da Luna na človeško obnašanje ne vpliva: glej med drugim link, ki sem ga dal na začetku.
Naj verjame kdor hoče in naj da protiargumente, kdor hoče.
Tipično šarlatansko argumentiranje.
Bilo pa bi zanimivo, da bi še kdo dal gor kakšen link.
Glej link, ki sem ga dal na začetku.

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by qg » 30.6.2013 18:05

Ne vem, kakšen link si dal.

Vendar, školjke se odpirajo in zapirajo glede na plimo in oseko še potem, ko so v kuhinji 100 km proč od obale. Menstrualni ritem se ponavlja na en mesec. Želve gnezdijo v prvi in zadnjem krajcu. Levi več lovijo ob mlaju. Polno živali se ravna po teh ritmih, zakaj, da se jim ni prilagodil še človek.

Saj ni samo gravitacija vpliv lune, je tudi svetloba.

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 30.6.2013 18:34

Le oglej si ga (v prvem mojem postu v tej temi). Za pokušino iz tega linka neobstoječa korelacija med luninimi menami in menstrualnim ciklom:
Despite the fact that there is no evidence of a significant correlation between phases of the moon, the menstrual cycle, and fertility, some people not only maintain that there is, they have a "scientific" explanation for the non-existent correlation.* Some think the light of the moon affects fertility in women, the way it does in corals. The light of the moon is a very minor source of light in most women's lives, and is no more likely than the moon's gravitational force to have a significant effect on a woman's ovulation. Furthermore, the average menstrual cycle is 28 days but varies from woman to woman and month to month, while the length of the lunar month is a consistent 29.53 days.* Some of us have noticed that these cycles are not identical. Furthermore, it would seem odd that natural selection would favor a method of reproduction for a species like ours that depended on the weather. Clouds are bound to be irregularly and frequently blocking moonlight, which would seem to hinder rather than enhance our species' chance for survival.
In podobno gre tudi za ostale tvoje trditve (seveda predvsem v zvezi z gravitacijskim vplivom).

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by Motore » 30.6.2013 18:51

qg wrote:Saj ni samo gravitacija vpliv lune, je tudi svetloba.
Gravitacija seveda ne vpliva na ljudi (postavi kartonasto luno na nebo in določeni osebki bodo še vedno čutili "vpliv"), kar se tiče pa svetlobe (ki izvira iz sonca) ima ta seveda vpliv za nekatere živali (primer vešče, ki je uporabljala luno za orientacijo, sedaj pa se vrti okoli žarnice). Fizičnega vpliva v smislu, da bi fotoni odbiti od lune na nas vplivali karkoli več ali pa celo enako kot sonce (ali močna žarnica), ne more biti.

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by qg » 30.6.2013 21:34

Hotel sem napisati, da gravitacija ne vpliva, a da ni edini vpliv, ki ga lahko obravnavamo ...

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by shrink » 30.6.2013 22:07

qg wrote:Hotel sem napisati, da gravitacija ne vpliva, a da ni edini vpliv, ki ga lahko obravnavamo ...
Ampak tudi drugih vplivov na človeško obnašanje, dejavnosti in podobno ni (iz istega linka):
Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver (1996) examined over 100 studies on lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and each of the following:

-the homicide rate
-traffic accidents
-crisis calls to police or fire stations
-domestic violence
-births of babies
-suicide
-major disasters
-casino payout rates
-assassinations
-kidnappings
-aggression by professional hockey players
-violence in prisons
-psychiatric admissions [one study found admissions were lowest during a full moon]
-agitated behavior by nursing home residents
-assaults
-gunshot wounds
-stabbings
-emergency room admissions [but see]
-behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults
-lycanthropy :mrgreen:
-vampirism :mrgreen:
-alcoholism
-sleep walking
-epilepsy

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Re: VPLIV LUNE

Post by Rock » 1.7.2013 20:47

shrink wrote:Le oglej si ga (v prvem mojem postu v tej temi). Za pokušino iz tega linka neobstoječa korelacija med luninimi menami in menstrualnim ciklom:
Despite the fact that there is no evidence of a significant correlation between phases of the moon, the menstrual cycle, and fertility, some people not only maintain that there is, they have a "scientific" explanation for the non-existent correlation.* Some think the light of the moon affects fertility in women, the way it does in corals. The light of the moon is a very minor source of light in most women's lives, and is no more likely than the moon's gravitational force to have a significant effect on a woman's ovulation. Furthermore, the average menstrual cycle is 28 days but varies from woman to woman and month to month, while the length of the lunar month is a consistent 29.53 days.* Some of us have noticed that these cycles are not identical. Furthermore, it would seem odd that natural selection would favor a method of reproduction for a species like ours that depended on the weather. Clouds are bound to be irregularly and frequently blocking moonlight, which would seem to hinder rather than enhance our species' chance for survival.
In podobno gre tudi za ostale tvoje trditve (seveda predvsem v zvezi z gravitacijskim vplivom).
Dokler bodo proti-argumenti taki kot gornji angleški tekst, bodo govorice o vplivu Lune še naprej obstajale. Utemeljeno.
(Ali naravoslovje ni sposobno ponuditi prepričljivejših razlogov?
Morda je tako. Ni denarja za take "ne-ekonomične" raziskave.
Pa tudi večina "znanstvenikov" ne želi posegati v temo, ki se zdi nedoumljiva, preobsežna. /Raje posamezne nasprotne dokaze nepošteno ignorirajo, do nadaljnjega?/)

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