Čudeži in znanost

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Tardigrade napisal/-a:Pozdravljeni.
Pozdravljen Tardigrade. Zanimiv nick. :wink: Veš, tako je ime mojemu medvedku. :oops:

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Rock napisal/-a:Delno si izpostavil bistvo: ateistični poslanec nima vrednot.
Delno? Vidim, da ti je logika španska vas. Povej mi razliko med vernim poslancem in ateističnim. Pa da ne bo odgovor: veren poslanec je veren, ateistični ateist! Torej, točno definirana razlaga med tema dvema vrstama poslancev. Kajti, jaz je ne vidim, ker obe skupini delujeta v svoj prid in sta vodeni od nekoga, ki vleče niti (strici iz ozadja ali RKC, mogoče tudi kakšne globalne korporacije). Malo me je zapeljalo in sem kar ponudil odgovor, vendar pričakujem, da tvojega ne bo, ali pa bo (spet) enosmerno usmerjen.
Rock napisal/-a:Ostalo pa seveda ne drži:
Vatikan je (v primeru mb. nadškofije) odlično (odločno; strateško in taktično pravilno) ukrepal: eksplicitno je pojasnil, da rizične finančne špekulacije niso združljive z doktrino; Vatikan je sankcioniral napake (in s tem dal vzgled).
Ah, kako romantično. Najprej, koliko časa je potreboval, kakšna je bila kazen za odgovorne in točno kako je sankcioniral napake? Obenem lahko tudi razložiš, kaj za vraga se dogaja v čikaški nadškofiji.
Rock napisal/-a:Na ravni države pa je potrebno razločevati med pravom in politiko.
Politična dejanja so izven-pravna dejanja, morajo pa biti v okviru prava. (Finančna) dejanja (visokih državnikov), čeprav so politično obarvana, toda so proti načelom dobrega gospodarstvenika, so podvržena presoji organov pravne države, tudi kazensko-pravni presoji.
Pozabil si dodati, da mora država upoštevati tudi RKC doktrino. To je, pranje denarja.

http://www.dnevnik.si/slovenija/v-ospre ... o-maribora
Rock napisal/-a:Legitimno pa je vpašanje, zakaj pravna država, kljub formalni implementaciji (ustava, zakoni, pravosodje, pravna teorija), ne deluje.
Ali če nekoliko zreduciram: RKC ima samo en zakon (Zakonik cerkvenega prava), država že samo zakonov nepregledno vrsto; toda Vatikan je ukrepal učinkovito. Odgovor je v morali (lahko ponovim: bistvo je očem nevidno).
Reduciraš lahko kolikor hočeš, ampak RKC ima velike težave. Samo na kratko: pedofilija, odstop papeža, število katolikov upada... In katero državo s svojimi zakoni si primerjal z RKC? In kdo pravi, da je država popolna?
Rock napisal/-a:Morala je v naravi vsakega. Zato je religija privlačna (ne potrebuje železne discipline, omejevanja znanja, omejevanja vzgoje, nasilja /tankov, hudodelstev/).
Popolnoma nepravilna ugotovitev! Morala ni odvisna od verskega prepričanja in to je znanstveno dokazano. To, kar trdiš je propaganda in nič drugega.

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vojko napisal/-a:Distraktus je napisal:
Odgovor je seveda pritrdilen, RKC je svoje premoženje prigarala pod pekočim soncem, vendar... Pod tem soncem so garali kmetje, pa tudi Inki, pa prebivalci Afrike, pa Maori, skratka ljudje, ki so zapuščali svoje premoženje tej lažni instituciji. Prostovoljno tega seveda niso počeli - ali so bili zavedeni, ali pa so jim ga na silo vzeli. V novejšem obdobju je pa vpleteno verjetno tudi pranje denarja, Opus Dei in podobno. Torej ni pravilno, da je RKC premožna. Če bi bilo po moje bi bilo potrebno vse, kar so vzeli vrniti.
Tvojim v bistvu pravilnim ugotovitvam bi dodal le komentar, dva.

Izpustil si dva relevantna vira goljufivega pridobivanja premoženja na strani RKC. Prvega sem že sam omenil: prodaja odpustkov, drugi pa so grožnje in/ali obljube in/ali sladkorečenje preprostim ženicam in zgaranim kmetom na smrtni postelji o njihovi ekspresni in ravni poti v raj, če bodo svoje premoženje zapustili njim, se pravi RKC. Da pa se ne bi niti slučajno enkrat nagrabljeno bogastvo ponovno porazgubilo med otroke farjev, so si izmislili perverzno "rešitev" – celibat - ki je – kot imamo priliko brati vsak dan v občilih – rodoviten humus, na katerem rastejo pedofilija in druge strupene cvetke iz Krafft-Ebingovega vrtička s pomenljivim imenom: Psychopathia Sexualis:lol:
Imaš prav, nisem se preveč poglobil v pisanje, ker se mi je mudilo, ampak ta Rock biksa take nonsense, da mi ne da miru. Kot si omenil, obstaja več sort pridelovanje denarja/premoženja RKC in ravno agresivno sajenje semena zla, je poželo takšno bogastvo. Kar se duhovnikov tiče, če bi imeli kaj morale in dobrote v sebi ti vodilni možje v tej instituciji, bi jim enostavno svetovali coitus interruptus namesto celibata. Tako pa...

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distraktus napisal/-a:
Rock napisal/-a:Morala je v naravi vsakega. Zato je religija privlačna (ne potrebuje železne discipline, omejevanja znanja, omejevanja vzgoje, nasilja /tankov, hudodelstev/).
Popolnoma nepravilna ugotovitev! Morala ni odvisna od verskega prepričanja in to je znanstveno dokazano. To, kar trdiš je propaganda in nič drugega.
:shock: :!:

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shrink napisal/-a:
Rock napisal/-a:
Ne ukvarjaj se z "interpretacijo" terminov, ki so sestavljene narave, kvazinaravoslovec. Ostani raje pri enoznačnih pojmih ter bodi zelo vesel, kadar se ti bo vpraševalec zahvalil za odgovor.
Hah, naj njegova kvazivost, ki je zgolj sama kvazi, rada pa svoje kvazikvalifikacije projecira na ostale, razmisli, kako enoznačno se je potunkala s tem, ko je trdila, da papež ni imel v mislih tudi monsinjora Rodeta, ko je pozival k nerazkošnemu življenju in neposedovanju luksuznih avtomobilov. :lol:
Saj Rode ne živi razkošnega življenja! On je samo ovčica, ki čaka, da ga vsemogočni pokliče k sebi... Mislim, da tudi on ne verjame v to. :roll:

Sicer pa, skoraj vsak človek je kandidat, da bi živel razkošno, če bi se mu ponudila priložnost. Dobro, saj obstajajo razni altruisti, ki so se skušnjavi uprli, ampak vera s tem nima nobene povezave. Oziroma, ima jo, saj predstavniki božjega živijo zelo skromno... Not! :twisted:

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bargo napisal/-a:
distraktus napisal/-a:
Rock napisal/-a:Morala je v naravi vsakega. Zato je religija privlačna (ne potrebuje železne discipline, omejevanja znanja, omejevanja vzgoje, nasilja /tankov, hudodelstev/).
Popolnoma nepravilna ugotovitev! Morala ni odvisna od verskega prepričanja in to je znanstveno dokazano. To, kar trdiš je propaganda in nič drugega.
:shock: :!:
Ne vem, kaj želiš povedati, ampak bom še jaz obarval povezave med stavki, pa bova potem analizirala:

Zato je religija privlačna (ne potrebuje železne discipline, omejevanja znanja, omejevanja vzgoje, nasilja /tankov, hudodelstev/).

To, kar trdiš je propaganda in nič drugega.

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distraktus napisal/-a: Rock: Morala je v naravi vsakega. Zato je religija privlačna (ne potrebuje železne discipline, omejevanja znanja, omejevanja vzgoje, nasilja /tankov, hudodelstev/).

Distraktus : Popolnoma nepravilna ugotovitev! Morala ni odvisna od verskega prepričanja in to je znanstveno dokazano. To, kar trdiš je propaganda in nič drugega.
Bargo: :shock: :!:

Ne vem, kaj želiš povedati, ampak bom še jaz obarval povezave med stavki, pa bova potem analizirala:

Zato je religija privlačna (ne potrebuje železne discipline, omejevanja znanja, omejevanja vzgoje, nasilja /tankov, hudodelstev/).

To, kar trdiš je propaganda in nič drugega.
Morala je v naravi vsakega, bi lahko pomenilo, da je morala evolucijsko pogojena. Se strinjaš? Če tako, potem je lahko religija posledica morale, "dobre" morale.
distraktus napisal/-a: Dobro, saj obstajajo razni altruisti, ki so se skušnjavi uprli, ampak vera s tem nima nobene povezave.
Kako pa je z temi altruisti, ki so se rastrelili na avtobusih in podzemnih železnicah zato, da bi njihove družine lahko preživele. Saj, so se tudi ti žrtvovali za druge, a ne? :oops:

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distraktus napisal/-a:
vojko napisal/-a:Distraktus je napisal:
Odgovor je seveda pritrdilen, RKC je svoje premoženje prigarala pod pekočim soncem, vendar... Pod tem soncem so garali kmetje, pa tudi Inki, pa prebivalci Afrike, pa Maori, skratka ljudje, ki so zapuščali svoje premoženje tej lažni instituciji. Prostovoljno tega seveda niso počeli - ali so bili zavedeni, ali pa so jim ga na silo vzeli. V novejšem obdobju je pa vpleteno verjetno tudi pranje denarja, Opus Dei in podobno. Torej ni pravilno, da je RKC premožna. Če bi bilo po moje bi bilo potrebno vse, kar so vzeli vrniti.
Tvojim v bistvu pravilnim ugotovitvam bi dodal le komentar, dva.

Izpustil si dva relevantna vira goljufivega pridobivanja premoženja na strani RKC. Prvega sem že sam omenil: prodaja odpustkov, drugi pa so grožnje in/ali obljube in/ali sladkorečenje preprostim ženicam in zgaranim kmetom na smrtni postelji o njihovi ekspresni in ravni poti v raj, če bodo svoje premoženje zapustili njim, se pravi RKC. Da pa se ne bi niti slučajno enkrat nagrabljeno bogastvo ponovno porazgubilo med otroke farjev, so si izmislili perverzno "rešitev" – celibat - ki je – kot imamo priliko brati vsak dan v občilih – rodoviten humus, na katerem rastejo pedofilija in druge strupene cvetke iz Krafft-Ebingovega vrtička s pomenljivim imenom: Psychopathia Sexualis:lol:
Imaš prav, nisem se preveč poglobil v pisanje, ker se mi je mudilo, ampak ta Rock biksa take nonsense, da mi ne da miru. Kot si omenil, obstaja več sort pridelovanje denarja/premoženja RKC in ravno agresivno sajenje semena zla, je poželo takšno bogastvo. Kar se duhovnikov tiče, če bi imeli kaj morale in dobrote v sebi ti vodilni možje v tej instituciji, bi jim enostavno svetovali coitus interruptus namesto celibata. Tako pa...
Coitus interruptus je samo kontracepcijska metoda in predpostavlja spolni akt, ta pa je za farje tudi 'greh'. Ideja prepovedati zdravim, mladim moškim, ki jih preplavlja testosteron, normalne spolne odnose, je že sama po sebi perverzna in patološka in so jo lahko 'izumili' le psihopati... :D

Sploh se ne bi smeli čuditi nenormalno visoki akcidenci pedofilije in drugih seksualnih psihopatij pri farjih, kajti to je samo reakcija na patološko uvedbo celibata... :wink:

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in posledica poslušanja vseh spovedi (enostavno se Ti mora človek zagnusit, ko poslušaš njegove grehe dan za dnem iste in nižje...)

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solarsystemfil napisal/-a:in posledica poslušanja vseh spovedi (enostavno se Ti mora človek zagnusit, ko poslušaš njegove grehe dan za dnem iste in nižje...)
Ni se jim gnusilo poslušati spovedi grešnikov in predvsem grešnic. Nasprotno! Da bi zadovoljili svoje perverzne in patološko seksualne nagone, je RKC izdelala uradni priročnik-vprašalnik za farje za spovedovanje žensk. Da boš dobil okus, za kakšne perverznosti gre in kako so farji poniževali uboge ženske, ti navajam nekaj vprašanj iz tega "vprašalnika":
(Moja opomba: samostalnik "fornication", ali glagol "fornicate" v tem kontekstu običajno prevajamo z "nečistvovanje, nečistvovati")

We list below the questions Rome's greatest theologians dictate the confessors ask their female penitents. We begin with the Right Reverend Burchard, 11th century Bishop of Worms.[3]

1. "Have you done what certain women are accustomed to do; namely, use an instrument shaped like the male member, exerting great effort to achieve pleasure by playing with your venerable parts, or also with the venerable parts of another, or by using the instrument to join the two of you together, so that you have fornicated with another woman or women by using the same instrument?"

2. "Have you ever fornicated with yourself, alone, by using some instrument?"

3. "Have you done what certain women are accustomed to do when they wish to satisfy a desire vexing them? They join themselves together as if to have intercourse, pressing their genitals together, so that, by rubbing, they satisfy their lustful craving.?"

4. "Have you done what certain women are accustomed to do; namely, lay down with some beast of burden and then, by whatever means, join yourself with that animal so that intercourse may be achieved?"

We now quote Chiniquy as he summarizes the work of our next Catholic theologian, Debréyne:[4] "The celebrated Debréyne has written a whole book, composed of the most incredible details of impurities, to instruct the young confessors in the art of questioning their penitents. The name of the book is Mœchialogy,[5] or Treaty on all the sins of the sixth [seventh] and the ninth commandments, as well as on all the questions of the married life which refer to them. That work is much approved and studied in the Church of Rome. I do not know that the world has ever seen anything comparable to the filthy and infamous details of that book." Below is a typical question asked young girls and women:

"Women who confess to having touched themselves are to be asked whether or not they tried to gratify some lustful craving. Did they feel great pleasure as a result of their touching themselves? Did they satisfy that craving? Or does that craving still exist?"

This present writer asks the reader, Can you not imagine how this information could assist a lecherous priest in humbly offering his 'holy' assistance toward satisfying her craving?

Next, Chiniquy gives us Kenrick: "The Right Rev. Kenrick,[6] late Bishop of Boston, United States, in his book for the teaching of confessors on what matters they must question their penitents, has the following, which I select among thousands as impure and damnable to the soul and body":

"It is allowable for a girl, who, while being raped, to turn herself and try not to receive the semen because injury is being done against her; but it isn't allowable for her to expel the semen received if she has already secured possession of it in her womb. Casting the semen out at that time would be harmful to the law of nature."

This teaching presupposes several things: (a) The confessor must ask the girl if she has ever been raped; (b) If her answer is 'yes,' the confessor must then ask her to elaborate on the rape; e.g., her positions throughout the rape, if the rapist had ejaculated; and if so, where? If she had received semen in her womb, it would have been a mortal sin had she attempted to expel it afterwards. Penance would be necessary on her part.

The sex lives of parish wives are not left untouched by the probing lechers of Rome. Chiniquy cites numerous matters upon which theologian Peter Dens[7] instructs the confessors to investigate:

1. "Ask if wives have ever attempted to expel semen received from their husbands. Have they ever been successful?" (Dens, tom. Vii., p.147.)

2. "Counsel spouses that they mortally sin if they should hinder insemination after they have begun intercourse."

3. "There is uncertainty, however, if, when a man ejaculates prematurely, it is a mortal sin for the woman to withdraw before she is properly inseminated; or if the husband mortally sins by not waiting to ejaculate into his wife." (p.153.)

4. "Spouses can sin between themselves in regard to the conjugal act. The correct method and site of intercourse must be maintained. Indeed, they should be counseled that the vagina must not be hindered in receiving that which it was created to receive. Additionally, they should be warned that intercourse must not be engaged in any perverse manner, or in any unnatural way. Examples of perverse positions are: intercourse approached from the back or side, by standing or sitting, or if the husband is on his back." (p.166.)

5. "Impotency in a man is his incapacity to complete the act of intercourse. Physical intercourse is completed when the man's ejaculation is received into the vagina. To be more specific, intercourse must be for the purpose of procreation only. Impotency is not the same for women, however. A woman may be said to be unable to have successful intercourse with a man because her vagina is too narrow to accept his member, but that is not necessarily the case were she to have intercourse with another man." (p.273.)

6. "It is noted that a woman may be defiled [i.e., experience orgasm w/o proper intercourse] when the semen she receives flows outside her genital area. Billuart alleges evidence of this when he writes: For the woman, there is an intense gratification when, during sex, she feels semen released." (Vol. iv., p.168.)

7. "When a wife accuses herself in confession for refusing intercourse that she is bound to perform, ask her if it is because she believes it is her prerogative and right to do so." (Vol. vii., p.168.)

8. "The confessor is under obligation to ask the penitent who confesses to have sinned with a priest, or has been solicited by a priest for base actions, whether that priest was her confessor, and if so, whether he solicited her in a confessional." (Vol. vi., p.294.)

The reader may use his or her imagination in filling in the blanks; i.e., how, with this information, the lecherous priest could make overtures to the unsatisfied wife.

Next, Chiniquy quotes Liguori:[8] "That so-called Saint, Liguori, is not less diabolically impure than Dens, in his questions to the women. But I will cite only two of the things on which the spiritual physician of the Pope must not fail to examine his spiritual patient:"

1. "Let us ask, Is it always a mortal sin if a husband puts the vulva of his wife into his mouth? I affirm it to be very sinful because in this act dangerous defilement can occur due to the warmth of the mouth. Besides, this bizarre sort of pleasure seems so obviously to be against nature. This act is frequently called chewing the cud."

2. "Similarly, Sanchez condemns as mortal sin the act of a husband who, in the act of intercourse, ejaculates his manhood into the inverted vagina of his wife, because, as Sanchez states, In this manner there is the disposition toward Sodomy." (Liguori, tom. Vi., p.935.)

Kenrick also directs the confessors to probe wives, even the elderly:

1. "While in the marriage act if a wife turns herself so as not to receive the semen; or, if she rises up immediately after it has been received for the purpose of expelling it, she sins mortally. However, it isn't necessary for her to lie supine for a long time while the womb draws in the semen. A short time will be sufficient because the womb soon closes tightly." (Vol. iii., p.317.)

2. "Elderly spouses generally have intercourse without our finding any fault. In their case, it is allowable for the semen to be expelled outside the vagina. Indeed, this occurs accidentally because of the weakness of nature."

Not even Grandma is safe from the prying eyes of the Roman lechers.

PURIENT QUESTIONS ASKED YOUNG MEN

PRIESTS GIVEN AN OPEN DOOR FOR HOMOSEXUAL LIASONS

We quote Chiniquy: "The celebrated Burchard, Bishop of Worms, has made a book of the questions which had to be put by the confessors to their penitents of both sexes. During several centuries it was the standard book of the priests of Rome. Though that work today is very scarce, Dens, Liguori, Debréyne, etc., etc., have ransacked its polluted pages, and given them to modern day confessors to study, that they might ask these same questions of their penitents. I will select only a few questions asked by the Roman Catholic Bishop to young men":

1. "Have you fornicated alone, by yourself, as some are known to do? By this I mean, have you sought pleasure by taking your manhood into your hand, protracting the foreskin, then moving it vigorously with your own hand, so that you ejaculate semen?"

2. "Have you fornicated with another male between his thighs? By this I mean, have you ever put your manhood between the thighs of the other, and through vigorous movement ejaculated semen?"

3. "Have you ever fornicated, as certain men are accustomed to do, by placing your member into a wooden hole, or something similar, then, by your movement, pleasure increases, resulting in your ejaculation?"

4. "Have you ever fornicated against nature; that is, by engaging in intercourse with other men or with animals, such as a horse, cow, donkey or some other animal? (Vol. i., p.136.)

The following is the line of questioning Debréyne teaches confessors to ask young men:

1. "Have they touched themselves to the point of defilement? When did they do so? Why did they do so? In what way did they touch themselves? For how long? Did it culminate in anything base? Or did they stop short of defilement? Was the pleasure greater at the end then it was at the beginning? Did they remain motionless as they felt great carnal delight at the end? Did it result in their being soaked?, and etc."

OBSERVATIONS

When one compares this line of questioning with our modern day pornographic phone sex toll calls, is there any difference? Yes, there is. Modern day phone sex is not done in the name of Jesus Christ, nor are sins forgiven after exchanging intimate details of one's sex life with the 'confessor' on the other end of the line.

Consider the fact that while pornography has become a major entertainment industry for 21st century earth dwellers, such was not the case in previous centuries. Explicit language, nudity, open displays of sexuality of all kinds have numbed this generation's conscience and sense of shame. This was not the case when Chiniquy wrote in the 19th century. Puritanism and chastity then ran deep through society. The questions asked by the confessors, as shocking and unconscionable as they are now, were unimaginable in previous eras.

Chiniquy Identified the Church of Rome as Mystery Babylon,[9]

The Pope as the Beast with 7-Heads

In the dedicatory preface of his classic work, Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, we read a dedication to the Freemasons of the United States and of the Whole World!: " ………As in every human institution, the freemasons may have their weak points. But the Christians owe them a debt of gratitude which they will never be able to pay, in their long and successful efforts to break the heavy and ignominious yoke of the Pope over Italy and the whole world, under the name of 'King of Rome'? Freemasons! Read these Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, and you will learn that your providential work is not yet finished. The seven-headed monster you have wounded and enchained in Rome is at work here in America to forge new chains for this young Republic. The United States are, more that ever, in need of your wisdom and your devotedness to the interests of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity."

Chiniquy's admonition to the Honest and Liberty-Loving People of the United States is worth repeating: "Americans! You are sleeping on a volcano, and you do not suspect it! You are pressing on your bosom a viper which will bite you to death, and you do not know it. Read this book, and you will see that Rome is the sworn, the most implacable, the absolutely irreconcilable, and deadly enemy of your schools, your institutions, your so dearly-bought rights and liberties…."

Pastor Chiniquy's last dedication is To All the Faithful Ministers of the Gospel: "Venerable Ministers of the Gospel! Rome is the great danger ahead for the Church of Christ, and you do not understand it enough. The atmosphere of light, honesty, truth, and holiness since your infancy, makes it almost impossible for you to realise the dark mysteries of idolatry, immorality, degrading slavery, hatred of the Word of God, concealed behind the walls of modern Babylon…..[your] ignorance of Romanism becomes more and more deplorable and fatal every day. It is ignorance which paves the way to the triumph of Rome in a near future, if there is not a complete change in your views on that subject. It is that ignorance which paralyzes the arm of the Church of Christ, and makes the glorious word 'Protestant' senseless, almost a dead and ridiculous word. For who does really protest against Rome to-day? - Where are those who sound the trumpet of alarm?…….[M]odern Protestants have not only forgotten what Rome was, what she is, and what she will forever be: the most irreconcilable and powerful enemy of the Gospel of Christ; but they consider her almost as a branch of the Church whose corner-stone is Christ………"

Chiniquy Warns Rome Will Persecute Again if Given the Chance

Thirty Attempts Had Been Made on His Life

"Rome is the same to-day as she was when she burned John Huss and Wishart, and when she caused 70,000 Protestants to be slaughtered in France, and 100,000 to be exterminated in Piedmont and Italy." [Chiniquy quotes "an exact translation of the doctrine of the Church of Rome as taught to-day in all Roman Catholic seminaries, colleges and universities, through the Summa Theologica of Thomas Aquinas, vol. iv., p. 90"]: "Though heretics must not be tolerated because they deserve it, we must bear with them till, by the second admonition, they may be brought back to the faith of the Church. But those who, after a second admonition, remain obstinate to their errors, must not only be excommunicated, but they must be delivered to the secular power to be exterminated."

Chiniquy continues, "It is on account of this law of the Church of Rome, which is to-day in full force, as it was promulgated for the first time, that not less than thirty public attempts have been made to kill me since my conversion."[10]

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[1] Original Latin will be supplied to those who make request.

[2] First published in 1874.

[3] "Died 20 August, 1025… For the sake of uniformity in all church matters he drew up a manual for the instruction and guidance of young ecclesiastics, this is his well-known "Collectarium canonum" or "Decretum" in twenty books, a compilation of ecclesiastical law and moral theology…. For more than a century, until the publication of the "Decretum" of Gratian (c. 1150), this was a widely used practical guide of the clergy, often quoted as "Brocardus". The nineteenth book, known as "Corrector, seu medicus", was circulated frequently as a separate work and was esteemed as a practical confessor's guide." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, article, Burchard of Worms.)

[4] To date, this present writer has been unable to locate biographical information concerning this theologian.

[5] Moechialogy is the Latin term for the study of the subject of 'Adultery.'

[6] FRANCIS PATRICK KENRICK, (died 1863). Apparently Chiniquy misspoke regarding Kenrick's bishopric. The Catholic Encyclopedia states it was both Philadelphia and Baltimore. "The chief literary works of Archbishop Kenrick were a new translation of the Bible, with a commentary; a 'Moral and Dogmatic Theology'; a 'Commentary on the Book of Job', 'The Primacy of Peter', and letters to the Protestant bishops of the United States on Christian unity," per the Encyclopedia.

[7] Died 1775. "He was always distinguished by his simplicity, solid piety, and love for the poor, and above all by his zeal for the moral and scientific training of the clergy. " (Cath. Encyc.)

[8] St. Alphonsus Liguori, (died 1787), named "Doctor of the Church." "His intercession healed the sick; he read the secrets of hearts, and foretold the future…. St. Alphonsus as a moral theologian occupies the golden mean between the schools tending either to laxity or to rigour which divided the theological world of his time… When the Saint began to hear confessions, however, he soon saw the harm done by rigorism, and for the rest of his life he inclined more to the mild school of the Jesuit theologians, whom he calls 'the masters of morals.' " (Cath. Encyc.) His classic work, The Glories of Mary, is a blasphemy against the true God, read and believed by Roman Catholics for centuries, up to the present day.

[9] Chiniquy quotes Rev. 17:1-6, comparing his personal experience inside the Church of Rome as identical with the vision given John, (pp. 677-78.)

[10] Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Father Chiniquy, [London: Robert Banks & Son, circa 1878], p. 670.

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distraktus napisal/-a:Saj Rode ne živi razkošnega življenja! On je samo ovčica, ki čaka, da ga vsemogočni pokliče k sebi... Mislim, da tudi on ne verjame v to. :roll:
No, v nekem smislu kar drži: nekoč ga je skoraj poklical k sebi, ko se je naokoli prevažal z 18-letnico v črnem jeklenem konjičku s trikrako zvezdo - nič kaj razkošen pripetljaj. :lol:

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shrink napisal/-a:
distraktus napisal/-a:Saj Rode ne živi razkošnega življenja! On je samo ovčica, ki čaka, da ga vsemogočni pokliče k sebi... Mislim, da tudi on ne verjame v to. :roll:
No, v nekem smislu kar drži: nekoč ga je skoraj poklical k sebi, ko se je naokoli prevažal z 18-letnico v črnem jeklenem konjičku s trikrako zvezdo - nič kaj razkošen pripetljaj. :lol:
Shrink, ti si pa res penicilin za farški strup; nič ti ne uide... :wink:

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vojko napisal/-a: Ni se jim gnusilo poslušati spovedi grešnikov in predvsem grešnic. Nasprotno! Da bi zadovoljili svoje perverzne in patološko seksualne nagone, je RKC izdelala uradni priročnik-vprašalnik za farje za spovedovanje žensk.
Ni, kaj. Si kar poznavalec podrobnosti iz RKC. :wink: Kako zanimiva so bila verjetno še podvprašanja in napetost "božjih pastirjev" ? :D

Ni mi jasno, kako se to sklada z naukom, da bog vse vidi in vse ve. Se nobeden ni vprašal, zakaj bi moral vedeti še far? :roll:

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bargo napisal/-a:
vojko napisal/-a: Ni se jim gnusilo poslušati spovedi grešnikov in predvsem grešnic. Nasprotno! Da bi zadovoljili svoje perverzne in patološko seksualne nagone, je RKC izdelala uradni priročnik-vprašalnik za farje za spovedovanje žensk.
Ni, kaj. Si kar poznavalec podrobnosti iz RKC. :wink: Kako zanimiva so bila verjetno še podvprašanja in napetost "božjih pastirjev" ? :D

Ni mi jasno, kako se to sklada z naukom, da bog vse vidi in vse ve. Se nobeden ni vprašal, zakaj bi moral vedeti še far?
Vprašanja, ki se sama po sebi vsiljujejo vsakemu normalnemu. :D
Če ne bo nanje odgovoril Lili Preprosti (a propos, dolgo se že ni oglasil; verjetno je na kakšnem katehetskem nadaljevalnem seminarju) :lol: , se bojim, da bodo ostala neodgovorjena ali pa bomo čakali na odgovore ad calendam graecas... :D

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vojko napisal/-a:Coitus interruptus je samo kontracepcijska metoda in predpostavlja spolni akt, ta pa je za farje tudi 'greh'. Ideja prepovedati zdravim, mladim moškim, ki jih preplavlja testosteron, normalne spolne odnose, je že sama po sebi perverzna in patološka in so jo lahko 'izumili' le psihopati... :D

Sploh se ne bi smeli čuditi nenormalno visoki akcidenci pedofilije in drugih seksualnih psihopatij pri farjih, kajti to je samo reakcija na patološko uvedbo celibata... :wink:
Saj, o tem sem govoril: če bi vodilni imeli kaj morale, bi jim dovolili, oziroma svetovali varen in kontracepcijski seks. Kar je sledilo, si pa že napisal in to je pač dejstvo.

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