Gravitacijski valovi II

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by Rock » 13.3.2016 12:41

vojko wrote:Preprosti je napisal:
V vrhove treskajo strele. ___ Po Prešernu.
To že, to že - ampak ti si globoko v globeli ... :lol: :lol:
1. Globel je imenitna zaščita.
2. Gora se ne posmehuje nizki reki, in reka ne statični gori. ____ Iz neke knjige (ki jo cenim).

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by vojko » 13.3.2016 12:48

Rock wrote:
vojko wrote:Preprosti je napisal:
V vrhove treskajo strele. ___ Po Prešernu.
To že, to že - ampak ti si globoko v globeli ... :lol: :lol:
1. Globel je imenitna zaščita.
2. Gora se ne posmehuje nizki reki, in reka ne statični gori. ____ Iz neke knjige (ki jo cenim).
Pod 2. je imenitna misel. Iz katere knjige je?

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by Rock » 13.3.2016 13:02

Rock wrote:
vojko wrote:Preprosti je napisal:
V vrhove treskajo strele. ___ Po Prešernu.
To že, to že - ampak ti si globoko v globeli ... :lol: :lol:
1. Globel je imenitna zaščita.
2. Gora se ne posmehuje nizki reki, in reka ne statični gori. ____ Iz neke knjige (ki jo cenim).
vojko wrote: Pod 2. je imenitna misel. Iz katere knjige je?
Ne morem ti ustreči.

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by vojko » 13.3.2016 15:52

Preprosti je napisal:
1. Globel je imenitna zaščita.
2. Gora se ne posmehuje nizki reki, in reka ne statični gori. ____ Iz neke knjige (ki jo cenim).
Pod 2. je imenitna misel. Iz katere knjige je?
Ne morem ti ustreči.
:lol:

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by Rock » 13.3.2016 16:04

vojko wrote:Preprosti je napisal:
1. Globel je imenitna zaščita.
2. Gora se ne posmehuje nizki reki, in reka ne statični gori. ____ Iz neke knjige (ki jo cenim).
Pod 2. je imenitna misel. Iz katere knjige je?
Ne morem ti ustreči.
:lol:
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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by TimeEinstein » 22.3.2016 9:38

LIGO did not respect fundamental methodology of physics which is following:

1. Observation of given phenomena

2. Building of theoretical model of the phenomena

3. Experimental prove or disprove of phenomena. 

The fact is that GW were not observed yet. LIGO started with

2. Equations which show that GW are causing length contraction of length prolongation. This is only theoretical model which do not assure that GW exist. 

On the base of 2  LIGO did experiment where interference pattern of laser light is observed which means 3. There is absolutely no direct relation between interference pattern 3 and prediction of the model of length variation of beams of interferometer 2. 

LIGO now on the base of 3 says that 1 exists which is pure nonsense. Popper would turn in grave seeing all that makeup physics, Max Planck and Einstein too. This research of LIGO is pure example of failure of scientific methodology which will enter the history of physics. 

Can gravitational waves move in time? - ResearchGate. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_g ... 4bcd2144a3 [accessed Mar 22, 2016].

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by vojko » 22.3.2016 10:55

TimeEinstein wrote:LIGO did not respect fundamental methodology of physics which is following:

1. Observation of given phenomena

2. Building of theoretical model of the phenomena

3. Experimental prove or disprove of phenomena. 

The fact is that GW were not observed yet. LIGO started with

2. Equations which show that GW are causing length contraction of length prolongation. This is only theoretical model which do not assure that GW exist. 

On the base of 2  LIGO did experiment where interference pattern of laser light is observed which means 3. There is absolutely no direct relation between interference pattern 3 and prediction of the model of length variation of beams of interferometer 2. 

LIGO now on the base of 3 says that 1 exists which is pure nonsense. Popper would turn in grave seeing all that makeup physics, Max Planck and Einstein too. This research of LIGO is pure example of failure of scientific methodology which will enter the history of physics. 

Can gravitational waves move in time? - ResearchGate. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/post/Can_g ... 4bcd2144a3 [accessed Mar 22, 2016].
Srečko, mislim, da si ti dejansko najbolj primerna oseba z vsemi potrebnimi strokovnimi referencami in dosežki na področju fizike, da 'raztrgaš' goljufive in diletantske poskuse z LIGO ... :lol: Lepo si jim jih napel, ni kaj ... :lol:

Bravo; mislim, da bodo po tem tvojem prispevku umaknili objavo o odkritju gravitacijskih valov in družno vsi odšli v Canosso, tebe pa predlagali za strokovnega svetovalca za področje splošne teorije relativnosti ... :lol:

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by Rock » 22.3.2016 15:43

TimeEinstein wrote:LIGO did not respect fundamental methodology of physics which is following:
1. Observation of given phenomena
2. Building of theoretical model of the phenomena
3. Experimental prove or disprove of phenomena. 
The fact is that GW were not observed yet.
To je morda res: ugotovitev obstoja ne počiva na popolni neposredni zaznavi.
LIGO started with
2. Equations which show that GW are causing length contraction of length prolongation. This is only theoretical model which do not assure that GW exist. 
On the base of 2  LIGO did experiment where interference pattern of laser light is observed which means 3. There is absolutely no direct relation between interference pattern 3 and prediction of the model of length variation of beams of interferometer 2. 
LIGO now on the base of 3 says that 1 exists which is pure nonsense. Popper would turn in grave seeing all that makeup physics, Max Planck and Einstein too. This research of LIGO is pure example of failure of scientific methodology
To pa je morda pretiran zaključek: pravilen zaključek bi bil, da 'znanstven dokaz' sme počivati tudi delno le na špekulaciji. (In tak 'znanstven dokaz' popolnoma zadostuje za N. nagrado: nedavna nagrada za l. 2015; SM osnovnih delcev bo moral biti korigiran.)

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by TimeEinstein » 1.4.2016 2:51

po moje so GW prvoaprilska šala. V fiziki eksperiment zmeraj potrjuje model o nekem opazovanem pojavu, ne potrjuje pojava samega, ker pojav sam je pazovan. GW pa niso bili nikoli opazovani, ker zgledas jih sploh ni. Čista domišljija. :D

Is the methodology of LIGO gravitational waves discovery right?

In physics the experiment is only proving the mathematical model of the observed phenomena. For example formula of free fall: F=mg is proved by the experiments which prove the mathematical model. The experiment is not proving existence of hypothetical phenomena which were not observed yet. CERN discovery of Higgs boson does not prove the existence of Higgs field and interference pattern obtained by LIGO does not prove the existence of gravitational waves. Both these discoveries only confirm mathematical models (which might be wrong) of hypothetical phenomena which remain non-observed. Is discovery of GW first April “joke”?

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by shrink » 1.4.2016 9:28

Prvoaprilska šala je le tvoje poznavanje fizike, tehtalec črvjih duš amrit. :lol:

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by TimeEinstein » 14.5.2016 19:10

gravitacijski valovi mogoče obstajajo,
sigurno pa ne podaljšujejo in ne krajšajo krakov interferometra
Einstein ga je s tem SKRČKOM globoko polomil,
izmislil si ga ja pa Lorentz da bi rešil eter..... :D
http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/ ... _FINAL.pdf

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Re: Gravitacijski valovi II

Post by shrink » 14.5.2016 23:57

TimeEinstein wrote:gravitacijski valovi mogoče obstajajo,
sigurno pa ne podaljšujejo in ne krajšajo krakov interferometra
Einstein ga je s tem SKRČKOM globoko polomil,
izmislil si ga ja pa Lorentz da bi rešil eter..... :D
http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/ ... _FINAL.pdf
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