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Zgrešena metodologija CERN in LIGO/VIRGO

Odgovor Napisal/-a TimeEinstein » 1.4.2016 3:57

V fiziki velja zlato metodološko pravilo, da eksperiment potrjuje model o nekem pojavu. Vzemimo za primer prosti pad. Model, se pravi formula F=mg je eksperimentalno potrjena, pojav sam pa je opazovan. Metodologija fizike je torej sledeča:

1. OPAZOVANJE POJAVA
2. IZDELAVA MATEMATČNEGA MODELA
3. POTRDITEV ALI ZAVRNITEV MODELA Z EKSPERIMENTOM.

CERN IN LIGO sta začela s korakom 2, se pravi ustvarjanje modelov o izvoru mase in o obstoju gravitacijskih valov. Oba pojava sta hipotetična, nikoli nista bila opazovana.
Sedaj CERN in LIGO z določenimi eksperimenti dokazujeta obstoje določenih pojavov, se pravi korak 1, kar je velika /prevelika/ metodološka napaka. Kdaj bo to prepoznano, je pa stvar napredka razvoja epistemologije v fiziki. Karl Popper bi se obračal v grobu, če bi videl ta velika odkritja CERNA in LIGA.
Dragi moji ta velika odkritja so žalostna, pomenijo, da se je resnični raziskovalni duh fizike uklonil želji po uspehu in denarju. To so načrtno izpeljani projekti, da se bo dobilo več denarja za raziskovanje in iskanje črne mačke v temni sobi, ki je tam ni. Namesto, da bi raziskovali možnosti pridobivanja energije iz prostora, se okoli 8000 fizikov ukvarja z iskanjem in potrjevanjem pojavov, ki jih NI. Higgsovo polje in gravitacijski valovi so napačne teoretične predpostavke.

O tem bo še veliko govora čez 30 let, ko bo ta generacija šla v penzijo. Takrat se pa spomnite tega pisma. :D

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Re: Zgrešena metodologija CERN in LIGO/VIRGO

Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 1.4.2016 4:43

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:V fiziki velja zlato metodološko pravilo, da eksperiment potrjuje model o nekem pojavu. Vzemimo za primer prosti pad. Model, se pravi formula F=mg je eksperimentalno potrjena, pojav sam pa je opazovan. Metodologija fizike je torej sledeča:

1. OPAZOVANJE POJAVA
2. IZDELAVA MATEMATČNEGA MODELA
3. POTRDITEV ALI ZAVRNITEV MODELA Z EKSPERIMENTOM.

CERN IN LIGO sta začela s korakom 2, se pravi ustvarjanje modelov o izvoru mase in o obstoju gravitacijskih valov. Oba pojava sta hipotetična, nikoli nista bila opazovana.
Sedaj CERN in LIGO z določenimi eksperimenti dokazujeta obstoje določenih pojavov, se pravi korak 1, kar je velika /prevelika/ metodološka napaka. Kdaj bo to prepoznano, je pa stvar napredka razvoja epistemologije v fiziki. Karl Popper bi se obračal v grobu, če bi videl ta velika odkritja CERNA in LIGA.
Dragi moji ta velika odkritja so žalostna, pomenijo, da se je resnični raziskovalni duh fizike uklonil želji po uspehu in denarju. To so načrtno izpeljani projekti, da se bo dobilo več denarja za raziskovanje in iskanje črne mačke v temni sobi, ki je tam ni. Namesto, da bi raziskovali možnosti pridobivanja energije iz prostora, se okoli 8000 fizikov ukvarja z iskanjem in potrjevanjem pojavov, ki jih NI. Higgsovo polje in gravitacijski valovi so napačne teoretične predpostavke.

O tem bo še veliko govora čez 30 let, ko bo ta generacija šla v penzijo. Takrat se pa spomnite tega pisma. :D
Ena bolj izvirnih prvoaprilskih ... :lol: :lol:

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Odgovor Napisal/-a TimeEinstein » 1.4.2016 7:39

vojko poleg srinka si ti ti "glavni butec" na tem portalu. V 2 letih nisi povedal ene pametne. :D

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 1.4.2016 7:45

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:vojko poleg srinka si ti ti "glavni butec" na tem portalu. V 2 letih nisi povedal ene pametne. :D
Zato pa imamo tebe, da popravljaš povprečje ... :lol: :lol:

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Odgovor Napisal/-a TimeEinstein » 1.4.2016 7:46

VOJKO pojma nimaš......a ti je vsaj to jasno ? :D

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 1.4.2016 7:49

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:VOJKO pojma nimaš......a ti je vsaj to jasno ? :D
Ne samo to, vse mi je jasno, Srečko iz Ptüja ... :lol: :lol: Pa ostalim tudi ... :lol:

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Odgovor Napisal/-a TimeEinstein » 1.4.2016 7:52

ja Vojko jaz sem
SREČKO ŠORLI - Amrit iz Ptuja
rojen 16. 5. 1958 Ptuj.
moja spletna stran je http://www.fopi.info
kdo si pa ti?
a si ti podoben "skrivač" kot za-biti shrink ? :D

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 1.4.2016 8:49

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:ja Vojko jaz sem
SREČKO ŠORLI - Amrit iz Ptuja
rojen 16. 5. 1958 Ptuj.
moja spletna stran je http://www.fopi.info
kdo si pa ti?
a si ti podoben "skrivač" kot za-biti shrink ? :D
No, o tebi, kot svetovno znanemu teoretiku iz Ptüja, je domača in svetovna javnost že do te objave vedela skoraj vse ... :lol:
Celo tvoje elegantne obleke in bukolične prizore iz družinskega življenja smo si lahko ogledali ...da o čudoviti leseni 'kišti', v kateri se je skrival čudežni kvantni motor niti ne zgubljam besed ... :lol:

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Re: Zgrešena metodologija CERN in LIGO/VIRGO

Odgovor Napisal/-a shrink » 1.4.2016 9:55

amRIT napisal/-a:a si ti podoben "skrivač" kot za-biti shrink ?
amRIT, naj ti to izvirno "pohvalo" vrnem s "pohvalami", ki jih je tvoja pojava doživela na tujejezičnih forumih:
Translation : "I'm either too stupid or too lazy to learn any relativity before I start whining about how all of science is wrong and I'm right and now I'd rather someone else put in the effort to explain it to me than I spend one iota of time and effort actually reading and learning from a book".
A meaningless (and oxymoronic) concept.
With herculean emphasis on the 'moronic .
Cranks always believe that, and they're always unable to actually show it. Word salad isn't enough.
Meaningless garbage.
amrit napisal/-a:alex sometime is better to be still.................
than spewing meaningless garbage all over the forum? I agree.
amrit napisal/-a:My work here is done.
Then by all means, leave.
Word salad. It doesn't mean much of anything.
Showing more of your ignorance.
Your evidence for your claim is your claim rewritten into several A4 pages? Obviously the scientific method or even basic logic is beyond you.

To justify your claim you need to do more than just restate your claim. Otherwise you'd have to accept the following :

Proposition : You're an idiot.

Proof : You're an idiot.

In reality though, you're an idiot.
:lol:
Yet things still happened long before you got here, dumbass.
Amrit = run of cholera.
So you keep insisting. Problem is your a clueless nutjob who probably can't tie your own shoes, not to mention dead wrong.
sensation of time is of no value for scienctific research which is why we use non-subjective means to measure it.
What makes you thick, armpit?
armit, I'm sorry, but sometimes we need to take some of our own advice, in your case this advice would be ... wake up.
As is the sensation of the wind blowing through your hair, that doesn't mean the wind does not exist!
Amrit -- the joke is that "What makes us tick" is not about time but the human perception of time and your typo of "What makes us thick" appears as a self-proclamation of abject stupidity, especially to the British idiom. Your repeated errors are symptomatic of someone using cut-and-paste in lieu of the necessary deep understanding which a claim of reading the paper at the professional level would imply.

In your struggles to appear knowledgeable, you merely appear, and this is using your own words here, thick.

No one believes you are capable of reading Nature Reviews Neuroscience when you haven't mastered the citation form which lists when the article was published.
amrit napisal/-a:I work on that subject for 20 years
And Alex Jones worked on Cold Fusion for his entire academic career, he failed. Good thing(for him) that 911 came along so he could sell his scientific cred to the troothers.
amrit napisal/-a:1. sensation of motion happening in linear time is result of neuronal activity of the brain
SENSATION IS NOT THE OBJECT OR FORCE BEING SENSED.
amrit napisal/-a:2. motion runs in timeless space
So you keep insisting, nobody agrees with you.
amrit napisal/-a:3. with clocks we measure duration of motion
4. duration of motion is result of measurement, motion itself has no duration
MEASUREMENT IS NOT THAT BEING MEASURED, nor is that being measure the result of the act of measurement. Time exists and passes whether we are here to measure it or not.

It seems you have wasted the last 20 years of your life, man up and move on.
amrit napisal/-a:I work on that subject for 20 years
What a waste of er.... time. Still, it gave him something to do.
:lol:
amrit napisal/-a:grumpi with you i'll do not discuss the subject as you do not understand it at all
better you do not comment................
Does anyone else see the incredibly funny irony in that statement?

I imagine Amrit never will.
amrit napisal/-a:PS grumpy please keep quite..........
Quite what??? Quite capable of smelling the crap you keep shovelling onto our forum, maybe???
:lol:
amrit napisal/-a:I work on that subject for 20 years, you will see in 5-10 yeas this vision of time will enter main stream, see more on
But in those 20 years you've not been published anywhere reputable, you haven't learnt a single bit of science, you know nothing of mainstream physics, you can't do any of even the basic mathematics of science and yet you believe it'll all magically turn around in the next few years, just like Sylwester does. You (and he) have failed miserably and yet you continue to try to push your nonsense.
armpit napisal/-a:13. Catalin V. Buhusi, Warren H. Meck, What makes us thick?, Functional and neural mechanisms of interval timing, Nature reviews, Volume 6, October 2005
Yep, what makes you so "thick", armpit?
amrit napisal/-a:see references
all confirm that time is clocks run in timeless space..........
No, some, perhaps all, put forth that hypothesis. They do not 'confirm' it. And simply quoting Einstein doesn't make you right, he was wrong about a lot of things. And you didn't actually retort my point, that after 20 years you know no science, have nothing reputable published and you're reduced to posting your 'work' on forums, not in journals.
amrit napisal/-a:6. time, means clock run is man invention
Again, grammar is atrocious. I can't even figure out what that means.
Fun Internet Fact of the Day:

On the internet, typing in all-caps is equivalent to yelling, so don't do it.
(hint: people will think you're stupid if you combine all-caps with bad grammar)

If you want to be taken seriously, change your profile signature, etc to reflect conversational grammar. i.e. Read it back to yourself, and see if it makes sense. You can also use a friend to help!
Alice knows! Who ate the mushroom that had the clock in it?

Pardon. Amrit is is dire need of language lessons, much less physics.
amrit napisal/-a:I'm getting boring
No, you've been boring from the very start(not to mention wrong), we've been bored by you for some time now.
amrit napisal/-a:im getting tired explain that again and again
You aren't explaining anything, you just mindlessly repeat the same things again and again. Your 'papers' are just the same, rewording one another and being too short to actually be of any use. You shouldn't be trying to write physics, your 'ideas' are closer to philosophy, as your work has zero impact on how physics is actually done.

Besides, if you are tired of saying it and we are tired of listening to it SHUT UP. Then everyone is happy!
I'm glad to see that you can write coherent English on your "research" paper, but that doesn't hide the vacuous content.
amrit napisal/-a:grumpy all runs slower on the earth than on the moon
your mind too......................
Wait, you're a Mooninite? This explains everything.
I'm glad to see that you can write coherent English on your "research" paper, but that doesn't hide the vacuous content.


He isn't, someone else is doing it for him. He just pays the other idiots and let him put his name on the garbage they write.
amrit napisal/-a:you tell me whAT IS TIME...............IN 5 SENTENCES

I WILL DESTROY YOU IN 1 SENTENCE

NOT WITH INSULTING, BY INTELLIGENCE
Are you some kind of intelligence form of anti-matter? When you come in contact with intelligence you destroy both it and yourself?
:lol:
So everyone in the field of physics is wrong, and you're right.

A classic nutcase.
amrit napisal/-a:so it is.........
Nope, still wrong.
amrit napisal/-a:1. physical events do not run in time but in space only
wrong
amrit napisal/-a:2. we experience physical events run in mind time
wrong.
amrit napisal/-a:3. events have no duration on its own
wrong.
amrit napisal/-a:4. we give them duration by measuring them
wrong.

Does that help?
ter dulcis in fundo:
Amrit Sorli is a crank. Are you Amrit?
Amrit, you one line fuckwit!
Amshit,

Please spare us all the criminally stupid uba-regurgitative codswallop and steep your head in a bucket of fetid herring excrement where it belongs.
:lol:
Amrit Sorli is a crackpot (and so are you, since you ARE Amrit Sorli).
amrit sorli, self-promoting crackpot
It's an unfathomable mystery why Amrit posts on science based sites?

Much like a blind man posing as a photographer, or a quadriplegic attempting to perform a juggling act.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a TimeEinstein » 5.5.2016 22:26

ti fantje na CERNU nimajo pojma o epistemologiji in metodologiji fizike

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Odgovor Napisal/-a shrink » 6.5.2016 15:01

Neosnovana kritika znanosti + samopromocija psevdoznanosti --> Dosjeji X.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Rock » 7.5.2016 1:10

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:V fiziki velja zlato metodološko pravilo, da eksperiment potrjuje model o nekem pojavu. Vzemimo za primer prosti pad. Model, se pravi formula F=mg je eksperimentalno potrjena, pojav sam pa je opazovan. Metodologija fizike je torej sledeča:
1. OPAZOVANJE POJAVA
2. IZDELAVA MATEMATČNEGA MODELA
3. POTRDITEV ALI ZAVRNITEV MODELA Z EKSPERIMENTOM.
CERN IN LIGO sta začela s korakom 2, se pravi ustvarjanje modelov o izvoru mase in o obstoju gravitacijskih valov. Oba pojava sta hipotetična, nikoli nista bila opazovana.
Sedaj CERN in LIGO z določenimi eksperimenti dokazujeta obstoje določenih pojavov, se pravi korak 1, kar je velika /prevelika/ metodološka napaka.
Zakaj naj bi bilo navedeno metodološka napaka?

1) v fiziki/astrofiziki je množica trditev, ki ne temelje le na (direktnih) izmerkih
2) če se iz izmerkov ugotovi pravilo, potem opazovanja (kjer vedno obstaja možnost postopkovne napake) niso več potrebna: 'razvidnost' je najmočnejši dokaz
3) znanstvena trditev ni dogma; razpolagaš ti s kakšnim protidokazom (izvor mase; obstoj gravitacijskih valov)?

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Odgovor Napisal/-a TimeEinstein » 14.5.2016 18:58

tule je vse razloženo.
Skrček po dložini v GR je le matematiočni trik,
na katerem se ne more graditi stabilen model
http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/ ... _FINAL.pdf

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 14.5.2016 23:36

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:tule je vse razloženo.
Skrček po dložini v GR je le matematiočni trik,
na katerem se ne more graditi stabilen model
http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/ ... _FINAL.pdf
Srečko iz Ptüja je očitno dobil akutno logorejo ... :lol:

Očitno ga je opogumil odločni nastop moderatorja proti vsem oblikam spamanja... :lol:

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Odgovor Napisal/-a osf » 15.5.2016 11:06

TimeEinstein napisal/-a:tule je vse razloženo.
Skrček po dložini v GR je le matematiočni trik,
na katerem se ne more graditi stabilen model
http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/ ... _FINAL.pdf

Nekaj, če znaš:

Prvič so signal opazili 14/9/15 05:50:45 v obeh interferometrih sinhrono?

Signal naj bi prihajal pravokotno nad interferometri ail je lahko prej dosegel tistega v Washingtonu in potem tistega v Louisiani?

Cevi v betonu so kovinske?

Zakaj se ena cev krči in ena širi?

Če vržeš kamen v mlako in se med valovanjem mlaka razširi za 10%, absorbira valove?

Se zavedajo kaj so merili?

Čakam odgovor in soglašam pri tem da so znanstveniki postali sužnji denarja. Obenem si zastavljajo fantaziozne cilje, niso pa vstanju pomagat da bi se znebili vseh smeti ki jih konzumizem dnevno ustvarja.

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