Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 22.4.2014 20:48

bargo napisal/-a:
vojko napisal/-a: Ja, prvi je res bolj realističen, saj sem vnaprej vedel, da se ne boš blamiral z javnim priznanjem prismodarije o "stvarjenju" leta 4.004 pnš. Čisto nekje v sebi pa sem prepričan, da tudi ti tega ne verjameš, čeprav te je to groza priznati tvojemu farju. Lahko pa te vprašam, zakaj ne sprejmeš mojega predloga poravnave?
Mogoče malce pomagam Rock-u. Vojko ali veš, da je sloviti sir Isaac Newton izračunal, da bo konec sveta leta 2060. Za izračune je uporabljal Biblijo in napotke, ki jih je baje dešifriral iz nje. :D O dešifriranju in skritih informacijah v Bibliji je nekaj govoril Rock tako, da ...

Ali pa tale sir Roger Penrose in Kepler je še bolj zanimiva: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... mzmw#t=854

Kaj le je počel Kepler na začetku 17. stoletja s temi simetrijami? :shock:

Recimo, tole bi bilo primerno za predstavitev 2Cellos v 17. stoletju Keplerjevega početja.

p.s. Koliko žim sta potrgala! :shock:
Mislim, da si takšno medvedjo uslugo več kot zasluži... :lol: :lol:

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Rock » 22.4.2014 21:30

vojko napisal/-a:Preprosti (rock) je napisal:
Saj se spomniš tiste prisrčne: "Za pet kristusovih ran naj pogine partizan!", ki so jo kričali "vaši vojaki" na S. Urhu, ko so klali partizane? Prav ganljivo krščansko usmiljenje … (Vojko)
To niso moji vojaki.
Kako niso? Še ne dolgo nazaj si ponosno govoril o belčkih in domobrancih kot o "naši vojski"! (Vojko)
Ne drži.
Samo, da ti še enkrat dokažem, da javno lažeš:
/"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/Napisal/-a Rock » 10.4.2013 23:30
Lažeš, prevarantski ateistični marksist:

moj tekst se je začel takole:

Vprašanje, kdo je bil pravi, zavesten, krvavi izdajalec slovenskega naroda: naša domovina (tedaj Kr. Jugoslavija) je bila napadena s strani svetovne velesile (nemškega Reicha - pred katerim je trepetal svet). Z vzhodne strani pa je že pred tem moril, predvsem lastne ljudi, sovjetski nezaslišan teror (ki je hotel le eno: priti na oblast na neciviliziran način, in s terorjem nato zavladati vsemu svetu).

Pravi ljudje niso hoteli ne enega, ne drugega (vendar je bilo prepozno: dva velika zla sta se razbohotila; morali bi ukrepati že prej, in na drug način). - RKC (Vatikan) je svoje storil. (Morda je bila to edina organizacija, ki ji ni kaj očitati.) Vatikan je pravočasno, javno in jasno obsodil oba velika zla.

Kaj je storila "Osvobodilna" fronta? Najprej je pobila lastne ljudi (niti Nemci tega niso storili, še manj Italijani) - da bi (po preizkušenem receptu) se mogla polastiti vodstva nad Slovenci, in izpeljati (boljševistično) revolucijo.

OF bi se morala - če je hotela oborožen boj proti okupatorjem - pridružiti že ustanovljenemu mednarodno-pravnemu legalnemu odporu iz Kraljevine Jugoslavije. (To seveda ni bilo v njenem interesu: komunisti so bili tudi tedaj margina.)
Dejansko pa je izvajala likvidacije lastnih ljudi. Kolikor se je borila - je bilo nelegalno in nelegitimno. (Nemci so jih zato imenovali "bandite", zato so uporabili talce - kar tedaj po mednarodnem vojnem pravom ni bilo prepovedano.


In tako dalje.

Če si pristaš civiliziranega dialoga - navedi najprej post, na katerega sem odgovarjal, in nato celovit odgovor.

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 23.4.2014 0:44

Rock napisal/-a:
vojko napisal/-a:Preprosti (rock) je napisal:
Saj se spomniš tiste prisrčne: "Za pet kristusovih ran naj pogine partizan!", ki so jo kričali "vaši vojaki" na S. Urhu, ko so klali partizane? Prav ganljivo krščansko usmiljenje … (Vojko)
To niso moji vojaki.
Kako niso? Še ne dolgo nazaj si ponosno govoril o belčkih in domobrancih kot o "naši vojski"! (Vojko)
Ne drži.
Samo, da ti še enkrat dokažem, da javno lažeš:
/"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/Napisal/-a Rock » 10.4.2013 23:30
Lažeš, prevarantski ateistični marksist:

moj tekst se je začel takole:

Vprašanje, kdo je bil pravi, zavesten, krvavi izdajalec slovenskega naroda: naša domovina (tedaj Kr. Jugoslavija) je bila napadena s strani svetovne velesile (nemškega Reicha - pred katerim je trepetal svet). Z vzhodne strani pa je že pred tem moril, predvsem lastne ljudi, sovjetski nezaslišan teror (ki je hotel le eno: priti na oblast na neciviliziran način, in s terorjem nato zavladati vsemu svetu).

Pravi ljudje niso hoteli ne enega, ne drugega (vendar je bilo prepozno: dva velika zla sta se razbohotila; morali bi ukrepati že prej, in na drug način). - RKC (Vatikan) je svoje storil. (Morda je bila to edina organizacija, ki ji ni kaj očitati.) Vatikan je pravočasno, javno in jasno obsodil oba velika zla.

Kaj je storila "Osvobodilna" fronta? Najprej je pobila lastne ljudi (niti Nemci tega niso storili, še manj Italijani) - da bi (po preizkušenem receptu) se mogla polastiti vodstva nad Slovenci, in izpeljati (boljševistično) revolucijo.

OF bi se morala - če je hotela oborožen boj proti okupatorjem - pridružiti že ustanovljenemu mednarodno-pravnemu legalnemu odporu iz Kraljevine Jugoslavije. (To seveda ni bilo v njenem interesu: komunisti so bili tudi tedaj margina.)
Dejansko pa je izvajala likvidacije lastnih ljudi. Kolikor se je borila - je bilo nelegalno in nelegitimno. (Nemci so jih zato imenovali "bandite", zato so uporabili talce - kar tedaj po mednarodnem vojnem pravom ni bilo prepovedano.


In tako dalje.

Če si pristaš civiliziranega dialoga - navedi najprej post, na katerega sem odgovarjal, in nato celovit odgovor.
Lažnivec in pobožnjakarski prevarant si ti, Preprosti! Nič ne pomaga opletanje s kontekstom in izvijanjem o tem, kako se je začel tvoj tekst. Ne moreš na noben način spremeniti ali izbrisati tega, kar si na javnem forumu zapisal 10.4.2013 ob 23:30: /"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/ :lol: :lol:

Kdo zdaj laže? :lol:

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Rock » 23.4.2014 2:51

vojko napisal/-a:Lažnivec in pobožnjakarski prevarant si ti, Preprosti! Nič ne pomaga opletanje s kontekstom in izvijanjem o tem, kako se je začel tvoj tekst. Ne moreš na noben način spremeniti ali izbrisati tega, kar si na javnem forumu zapisal 10.4.2013 ob 23:30: /"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/ :lol: :lol:
Kdo zdaj laže? :lol:
Lažeš in vztrajaš v laži, ogabni Stvor.

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Rock » 23.4.2014 4:53

bargo napisal/-a:Mogoče malce pomagam Rock-u. Vojko ali veš, da je sloviti sir Isaac Newton izračunal, da bo konec sveta leta 2060. Za izračune je uporabljal Biblijo in napotke, ki jih je baje dešifriral iz nje.
O Newtonu obstaja zapis, da je izračunal tudi nastanek Zemlje. Eksistirata pa dva podatka:
* da je nastala ok. 4.000 pr. n. št.
* da je nastala kasneje, in sicer 3.470 pr. n. št.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 23.4.2014 12:29

Rock napisal/-a:
vojko napisal/-a:Lažnivec in pobožnjakarski prevarant si ti, Preprosti! Nič ne pomaga opletanje s kontekstom in izvijanjem o tem, kako se je začel tvoj tekst. Ne moreš na noben način spremeniti ali izbrisati tega, kar si na javnem forumu zapisal 10.4.2013 ob 23:30: /"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/ Kdo zdaj laže? :lol:
Lažeš in vztrajaš v laži, ogabni Stvor.
Premalo, Preprosti! Potrebni so dokazi, da ti NISI izvolil napisati citirane trditve 10.4.2013 ob 23:30: /"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/ :lol:

O tem se lahko prepriča vsak sam... dejstva so namreč hudičevo trmasta stvar... :lol: :lol:

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Rock » 23.4.2014 14:36

vojko napisal/-a:Premalo, Preprosti! Potrebni so dokazi, da ti NISI izvolil napisati citirane trditve 10.4.2013 ob 23:30: /"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/ :lol:

Nasprotno, lažnivi in ogabni Stvor.
Tudi ne razumeš ničesar.

Napisal sem, in sem ponosen na to, kar sem napisal.

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 23.4.2014 16:32

Rock napisal/-a:
vojko napisal/-a:Premalo, Preprosti! Potrebni so dokazi, da ti NISI izvolil napisati citirane trditve 10.4.2013 ob 23:30: /"naši vojaki drugačne politične provenience, plava garda, bela garda, domobranci -..."/ :lol:

Nasprotno, lažnivi in ogabni Stvor.
Tudi ne razumeš ničesar.

Napisal sem, in sem ponosen na to, kar sem napisal.
To ti pa rad verjamem! :lol:

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Hanuman » 1.5.2014 10:55


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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Hanuman » 1.5.2014 11:09

Verjamem.

Therefore, my Lord, although I am living in a terrible condition, I do not wish to depart from my mother's abdomen to fall again into the blind well of materialistic life. Your external energy, called deva-māyā, at once captures the newly born child, and immediately false identification, which is the beginning of the cycle of continual birth and death, begins.
PURPORT

As long as the child is within the womb of his mother, he is in a very precarious and horrible condition of life, but the benefit is that he revives pure consciousness of his relationship with the Supreme Lord and prays for deliverance. But once he is outside the abdomen, when a child is born, māyā, or the illusory energy, is so strong that he is immediately overpowered into considering his body to be his self. Māyā means "illusion," or that which is actually not. In the material world, everyone is identifying with his body. This false egoistic consciousness of "I am this body" at once develops after the child comes out of the womb. The mother and other relatives are awaiting the child, and as soon as he is born, the mother feeds him, and everyone takes care of him. The living entity soon forgets his position and becomes entangled in bodily relationships. The entire material existence is entanglement in this bodily conception of life. Real knowledge means to develop the consciousness of "I am not this body. I am spirit soul, an eternal part and parcel of the Supreme Lord." Real knowledge entails renunciation, or nonacceptance of this body as the self.
By the influence of māyā, the external energy, one forgets everything just after birth. Therefore the child is praying that he prefers to remain within the womb rather than come out. It is said that Śukadeva Gosvāmī, on this consideration, remained for sixteen years within the womb of his mother; he did not want to be entangled in false bodily identification. After cultivating such knowledge within the womb of his mother, he came out at the end of sixteen years and immediately left home so that he might not be captured by the influence of māyā. The influence of māyā is also explained in Bhagavad-gītā as insurmountable. But insurmountable māyā can be overcome simply by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is also confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (7.14): mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāḿ taranti te. Whoever surrenders unto the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa can get out of this false conception of life. By the influence of māyā only, one forgets his eternal relationship with Kṛṣṇa and identifies himself with his body and the by-products of the body — namely wife, children, society, friendship and love. Thus he becomes a victim of the influence of māyā, and his materialistic life of continued birth and death becomes still more stringent.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 1.5.2014 11:26

Hanuman napisal/-a:Verjamem.

Therefore, my Lord, although I am living in a terrible condition, I do not wish to depart from my mother's abdomen to fall again into the blind well of materialistic life. Your external energy, called deva-māyā, at once captures the newly born child, and immediately false identification, which is the beginning of the cycle of continual birth and death, begins.
PURPORT

As long as the child is within the womb of his mother, he is in a very precarious and horrible condition of life, but the benefit is that he revives pure consciousness of his relationship with the Supreme Lord and prays for deliverance. But once he is outside the abdomen, when a child is born, māyā, or the illusory energy, is so strong that he is immediately overpowered into considering his body to be his self. Māyā means "illusion," or that which is actually not. In the material world, everyone is identifying with his body. This false egoistic consciousness of "I am this body" at once develops after the child comes out of the womb. The mother and other relatives are awaiting the child, and as soon as he is born, the mother feeds him, and everyone takes care of him. The living entity soon forgets his position and becomes entangled in bodily relationships. The entire material existence is entanglement in this bodily conception of life. Real knowledge means to develop the consciousness of "I am not this body. I am spirit soul, an eternal part and parcel of the Supreme Lord." Real knowledge entails renunciation, or nonacceptance of this body as the self.
By the influence of māyā, the external energy, one forgets everything just after birth. Therefore the child is praying that he prefers to remain within the womb rather than come out. It is said that Śukadeva Gosvāmī, on this consideration, remained for sixteen years within the womb of his mother; he did not want to be entangled in false bodily identification. After cultivating such knowledge within the womb of his mother, he came out at the end of sixteen years and immediately left home so that he might not be captured by the influence of māyā. The influence of māyā is also explained in Bhagavad-gītā as insurmountable. But insurmountable māyā can be overcome simply by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is also confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (7.14): mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāḿ taranti te. Whoever surrenders unto the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa can get out of this false conception of life. By the influence of māyā only, one forgets his eternal relationship with Kṛṣṇa and identifies himself with his body and the by-products of the body — namely wife, children, society, friendship and love. Thus he becomes a victim of the influence of māyā, and his materialistic life of continued birth and death becomes still more stringent.

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Hanuman » 3.5.2014 14:21

prakṛtyaiva ca karmāṇi
kriyamāṇāni sarvaśaḥ
yaḥ paśyati tathātmānam
akartāraḿ sa paśyati

One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees.

PURPORT
This body is made by material nature under the direction of the Supersoul, and whatever activities are going on in respect to one's body are not his doing. Whatever one is supposed to do, either for happiness or for distress, one is forced to do because of the bodily constitution. The self, however, is outside all these bodily activities. This body is given according to one's past desires. To fulfill desires, one is given the body, with which he acts accordingly. Practically speaking, the body is a machine, designed by the Supreme Lord, to fulfill desires. Because of desires, one is put into difficult circumstances to suffer or to enjoy. This transcendental vision of the living entity, when developed, makes one separate from bodily activities. One who has such a vision is an actual seer.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Motore » 3.5.2014 15:09

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Re: Verjamete v reinkaracijo?

Odgovor Napisal/-a Rock » 3.5.2014 16:58

Hanuman napisal/-a:One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees.
To je angl. prevod gornjega teksta? Ki je v sanskrtu? Kam spada to učenje, v Vede, jogo?
PURPORT
This body is made by /.../ The self, however, is outside all these bodily activities. /.../
Zakaj in čemu potem sploh 'self'?

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Odgovor Napisal/-a vojko » 3.5.2014 23:33

Rock napisal/-a:
Hanuman napisal/-a:One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees.
To je angl. prevod gornjega teksta? Ki je v sanskrtu? Kam spada to učenje, v Vede, jogo?
PURPORT
This body is made by /.../ The self, however, is outside all these bodily activities. /.../
Zakaj in čemu potem sploh 'self'?
Ne v 'jogo', rock, to "učenje" spada v 'jogurt', kot vsako 'učenje' podobne baže in provenience... :lol:

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