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slovarji

Odgovor Napisal/-a me_ » 1.2.2007 7:24

pred kratkim sem naletel na googlov prevajalnik, ki lahko v nekatere jezike prevaja kar celotne strani (vstavimo URL)
http://translate.google.com/translate_t

drugače pa me zanima, kje si prevajate, če kaj potrebujete?
lp

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Jacques » 1.2.2007 11:24

pred kratkim sem naletel na googlov prevajalnik, ki lahko v nekatere jezike prevaja kar celotne strani (vstavimo URL)
http://translate.google.com/translate_t
Haha, si poskušal kaj prevesti? :D Pomen iz prevoda sicer lahko izvlečeš (uganeš), za kaj resnega pa je tako prevajanje za enkrat še neuporabno. Verjamem pa da je v stvar vloženega veliko časa in napora in da takega prevajalnika še zdaleč ni lahko narediti.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Aniviller » 1.2.2007 15:29

Ena smesna definicija giroskopa iz spletnega slovarja, rekurzivno prevajana v korejscino in nazaj, z Googlovim translatorjem :lol: Na koncu je stvar precej podobna leposlovju :P

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Aniviller » 1.2.2007 15:30

Strokovno povedano: Google je Engrish generator :lol:

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Roman » 1.2.2007 15:32

Jasno, saj ne gre za prevajalnik ampak za preslovarjalnik. To pa je velika razlika.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Aniviller » 1.2.2007 15:44

Se strinjam, a to ne opravicuje dejstva da ni obrnljiv (ima samo psevdoinverz)

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Roman » 1.2.2007 18:29

Pač. To dejstvo nima nobene zveze s slovarji ampak z odtenki v pomenu in s frazeološkimi posebnostmi. Še recimo "letalo" prevedemo v "plane", to pa nazaj v "ravnino", je zmeda že tu. Pa sem vzel zelo slab primer. Prevajanje pač ni bijektivna preslikava. In zakaj vendar bi rad imel pravi inverz?

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Odgovor Napisal/-a me_ » 1.2.2007 21:36

kaj pa za navadne slovarje (eno besedo)- kje prevajate?

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Odgovor Napisal/-a GJ » 1.2.2007 22:46

Aniviller napisal/-a:Se strinjam, a to ne opravicuje dejstva da ni obrnljiv (ima samo psevdoinverz)
Saj niti teoretično ne more biti obrnljiv :!:
To bi bilo teoretično možno le, če se bi dalo pomen vsake besede v stavku 100% prevesti iz enega v drugi jezik.

Lahko noč..

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Jacques » 3.2.2007 12:50

Saj niti teoretično ne more biti obrnljiv :!:
To bi bilo teoretično možno le, če se bi dalo pomen vsake besede v stavku 100% prevesti iz enega v drugi jezik.
To, da slovar ni obrnljiv pri prevajanju ni tako pomembno. Važno je, da se pomen stavka pri prevajanju ohrani, izbira besede-prevoda je odvisna od konteksta v katerem neka beseda-original nastopa. Tako bo prevajalnik pravilno prevedel "plane" v letalo in ne v ravnino, čeprav gledano s stališča samega slovarja, ta sploh ni obrnljiv in bi lahko na tem mestu bila katerakoli od teh dveh besed.

Druga stvar pa je, če je tako semantično prevajanje na ravni stavka obrnljivo. To je bolj pomembno kot sama obrnljivost slovarja.

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Odgovor Napisal/-a Aniviller » 3.2.2007 16:26

Saj to obrnljivost sem mislil. Seveda je to preveliko pricakovanje za program, pa vendar se to zahteva od "konvencionalnih" prevajalcev. Namrec, da pomensko prevedejo tekst, in da bi isti prevajalec ta tekst prevedel nazaj v prvotni jezik v vsaj pomensko nespremenjeni obliki.

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Re: slovarji

Odgovor Napisal/-a prevajalec » 23.8.2010 15:11

Zanimiva stvar, ki jo razvijajo pri Microsoftu:
Telefon, ki prevaja v živo.

Drugače pa si trenutno lahko pomagate z Google Translate in Amebis slovarji (google ima sicer precej večji nabor jezikov) , če kdo potrebuje profesionalen prevod priporočam našo prevajalsko agencijo. Zanimiv je tudi pripomoček google goggles, ki omogoča prevajanje s fotografiranjem besedila.

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Re: slovarji

Odgovor Napisal/-a mirko_77 » 30.9.2015 10:01

Tale slovar je ql http://www.spletni-slovar.com/. Jst si zmeraj z njim pomagam, ko rabim kakšen prevod.

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