Kakšen dokaz pa je to? Ok, bom poskušal tudi jaz nekaj "dokazati":tonymk napisal/-a:Jaz imam dokaze, izvide krvnih preiskav
Motore napisal/-a:Kakšen dokaz pa je to? Ok, bom poskušal tudi jaz nekaj "dokazati":tonymk napisal/-a:Jaz imam dokaze, izvide krvnih preiskav
Vsako večer pred spanjem si umijem zobe, zjutraj pa vedno vzide sonce. Dokazal sem, da je vzhajanje sonca posledica mojega umivanja zob. Resno upam, da kdaj ne pozabim tega opravila, saj bom verjetno povzročil obilico težav.
A te daje amnezija (drugič)? A nisi opazil, da si to že navedel v predprejšnjem postu (drugič)? Replika bo seveda enaka (drugič):tonymk napisal/-a:lb713
Influence of a redox-signaling supplement on biomarkers of physiological stress in athletes: a metabolomics approach
R. Andrew Shanely1, David C. Nieman1, Dru A. Henson1, Amy M. Knab1, Lynn Cialdella-Kam1, Mary Pat Meaney1, Sara Baxter2 and Wei Sha3
1 Human Performance Laboratory, Appalachian State University, UNC-Charlotte, North Carolina Research Campus, Kannapolis, NC
2 Analytical Sciences, David H. Murdock Research Institute, UNC-Charlotte, North Carolina Research Campus, Kannapolis, NC
3 Bioinformatics Services Division, UNC-Charlotte, North Carolina Research Campus, Kannapolis, NC
We determined if drinking ASEA™, a redox-signaling molecule beverage, would improve cycling performance, counter inflammation, oxidative stress, and immune dysfunction, and alter the metabolite profile. Cyclists (n = 20) participated in a randomized, double blinded, placebo controlled, crossover study. Subjects completed two 75km time trials (TT) after 1 wk ingestion of 118 mL/d ASEA or placebo (PL). Subjects ingested 473 mL ASEA or PL during the TT. Blood samples were taken pre, post, 1h post-exercise (Ex). ASEA did not improve TT performance (p = .95). The Ex-induced pattern of change in inflammation, oxidative stress, and immunity did not differ (p>.05) between ASEA vs. PL. The metabolomic profiles (GC/MS) of ASEA and PL samples were clearly separated by partial least square discriminant analysis when using pre-Ex data (Q2Y = .71), and when using the ratio of 1h post-Ex to pre-Ex (Q2Y = .68). Linear modeling found that ASEA supplementation caused a significant shift in 43 metabolites pre-Ex, especially free fatty acids, suggesting an enhanced fat oxidation and amino acid sparing, with an increase in ascorbic acid, during Ex. Within the context of this study, 1-wk ASEA supplementation caused extensive fatty acid mobilization before and during Ex, with no apparent influence on TT performance and traditional biomarkers of inflammation, oxidative stress, and immunity.
Funding, Reoxcyn Discoveries Group
In še naprej:A small study of cyclists was done with a crossover control but with no placebo control. It measured a number of changes in metabolites that “may represent effects on inflammation, oxidative stress, and physiologic stress.”
Not a single placebo-controlled study. Worse, these studies were “in house” studies that were never published in a peer-reviewed journal. Steven Novella recently pointed out the unreliability of such studies.
Nothing listed in PubMed. Without replication, peer review, and better designed studies, this research does not constitute any credible evidence to support the claims for ASEA. They have made what Carl Sagan would have called extraordinary claims and they have not even provided any ordinary evidence, much less any extraordinary evidence.
Hah, šarlatanski promotor "požegnane" vode, saj si ti tisti, ki je že 3x navedel eno in isto šarlatansko "študijo" in če sem seveda prvič navedel link, ki kaže, koliko je vredna ta "študija" (t.j. niti piškavega drobižatonymk napisal/-a:Stalno ponavljaš en in isti link, pa ja bi ti lahko googlanje prineslo še kakšen link
), bom seveda še drugič in tretjič. 
Še četrtič navedena šarlatanska "študija" - šarlatanski promotor "požegnane" vode pa bi razpredal o ponavljanju.
Še petič navedena šarlatanska "študija" - šarlatanski promotor "požegnane" vode pa bi razpredal o ponavljanju.
Psevdoznanstveno nakladanje promotorjev "požegnane" vode.
Še šestič navedena šarlatanska "študija" - šarlatanski promotor "požegnane" vode pa bi razpredal o ponavljanju.
In še naprej:A small study of cyclists was done with a crossover control but with no placebo control. It measured a number of changes in metabolites that “may represent effects on inflammation, oxidative stress, and physiologic stress.”
Not a single placebo-controlled study. Worse, these studies were “in house” studies that were never published in a peer-reviewed journal. Steven Novella recently pointed out the unreliability of such studies.
Nothing listed in PubMed. Without replication, peer review, and better designed studies, this research does not constitute any credible evidence to support the claims for ASEA. They have made what Carl Sagan would have called extraordinary claims and they have not even provided any ordinary evidence, much less any extraordinary evidence.
Vsakdo količkaj naravoslovno razgledan lahko preveri, da je ASEA ravno tako učinkovita kot "požegnana voda", da ne premore niti ene študije, ki bi dokazovala njeno učinkovitost, in da je navajanje "redoks signalnih molekul" v zvezi z njo čisto psevdoznanstveno nakladanje. Skratka: gre za "porez na budale".tonymk napisal/-a:In seveda Jay Novela je preverljiv, najdeš ga na Facebook, linkedin, google+
Dokazal boš, ko si boš nehal umivati zobe, in sonce ne bo vzšlo.Kakšen dokaz pa je to? Ok, bom poskušal tudi jaz nekaj "dokazati":
Vsako večer pred spanjem si umijem zobe, zjutraj pa vedno vzide sonce. Dokazal sem, da je vzhajanje sonca posledica mojega umivanja zob. Resno upam, da kdaj ne pozabim tega opravila, saj bom verjetno povzročil obilico težav.
Kaj pa če bo sonce vzšlo? Ali to pomeni, da moje umivanje zob ni bil vzrok? Znanost bi sicer rekla da, ampak šarlatani bi seveda znova dobili neko stvar, ki bi kao pokazala korelacijo med mojim umivanjem zob in vzhajanjem sonca, čeprav je še tako nesmiselna.tonymk napisal/-a:Dokazal boš, ko si boš nehal umivati zobe, in sonce ne bo vzšlo.
Z omenjanjem inkvizicije si si pravkar prislužil 40 točk po Baezovem šarlatanskem indeksu.tonymk napisal/-a:Spominjaš me na inkvizitorje.
Če si upaš misliti drugače si za na grmado.
